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Altringham[edit]

The article states that such a spelling is a mistake, however OS maps from the 19th century clearly show the town's name spelt this way (I have inserted an image to illustrate). Are these wrong also, or is it just that the town's name has changed naturally over the years? Parrot of Doom (talk) 14:14, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

The town's name has changed slightly over time (I'll change the article to reflect that), and both were used until about the 19th century when the c version took over. Could the image be touched up a bit, it's a bit hard to read "Altringham". Cheers, Nev1 (talk) 14:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
That's how the stone looks - the sun was fairly low, the only way I could make it clearer without photoshopping would be to return at a time where the sun was on just the right angle to put a shadow in the letters, but that would take a NASA-powered brain to calculate :D I could always return to the stone with a couple of tins of white and black paint and make it appear as it should be... Parrot of Doom (talk) 14:32, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Stretford[edit]

I removed the location of Stretford from the opening lines and I'm really not sure why it's given. To me it looks just as odd as "Birmingham is a city 60 miles northwest of Stevenage".Of course there's a town hall in Old Trafford but Stretford doesn't have any special legal position as a quasi-capital city. It's never been spoken of before as "the seat of government of Altrincham". And anyway 4.2 miles isn't Altrincham's distance from that "seat of government", which would be over 5 miles. Should we give the position of all London places relative to Southwark? --Lo2u (TC) 14:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Stretford is the centre of administration of the Trafford Metropolitan Borough of which Altrincham is a part. There is no parallel with places in London and Southwark, comparable would be places in London and their location to the respective centres of the London boroughs they are in. Nev1 (talk) 14:33, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Trafford town hall is the seat of administration; that doesn't confer a sort of capital city status on Streford, which is a mile and half down the road. There is a parallel with Southwark because that is where the GLA is situated. London boroughs are not unitary authorities in the same way that Greater Manchester ones are. Also, I'm just not sure this helps one locate Altrincham, in the same way that 2.5 miles south of Sale might. --Lo2u (TC) 14:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Still no comment? As I've already said Stretford isn't the official administrative centre of Trafford any more than Old Trafford is. It just happens that Stretford is close to the town hall. Also I don't see any policy about mentioning this at WP:CITIES. If this is the only reason for it to stay, it should go. The impression it gives is "whoever wrote that must live in Stretford". Wrong I know, but when I first read it, it seemed the likely explanation. --Lo2u (TC) 14:12, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I hadn't noticed your comment here. If you insist, go ahead and remove the mention of Stretford, I don't feel particularly strongly about it. The lead needs expanding anyway. Nev1 (talk) 00:04, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
I think it's a matter of common sense. There's nothing objectionable about it being there is there, surely? WP:UKCITIES recommends we add the "distance from the district's or county's main town or city". Whilst this is hard for Trafford, the choice of Stretford isn't arbitary - it's Altrincham's only seat of local government. Simillarly, having the direction from two or more places is also good for triangulation. If we want some other place mentioned instead, fine, just strikes me as odd that it isn't the seat of govenment. --Jza84 |  Talk  00:18, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
No it's not objectionable. Arbitrary? Well I understand the reason so maybe not. But it can appear that way. Stretford isn't an obvious main town in Trafford in the way that Liverpool is the main town in Merseyside or Stockport is in the Borough of Stockport. It's just the closest town to the town hall, that's all. Bestowing terms like "seat of government", which aren't normally accorded to it, even if they seem common sense is a little close too close to original research for me. In reality Trafford is a collection of smaller settlements without a recognised centre and Stretford is only the fourth largest town. Trafford's other main town is Sale. It has the largest population (at least if you exclude Hale and Bowdon from the Altrincham figure). It's also Altrincham's closest and only adjoining town. So it could never appear arbitrary in the way that Stretford does. Sale also has a clear centre, almost exactly three miles away, whereas Stretford could be anywhere from 4.2 to 5.2 miles. Any objections if I replace Stretford with Sale? If you're looking for triangulation points I'd suggest Wilmslow or Knutsford because it's not very easy to triangulate when two places are in roughly the same direction. On another note, my message above ("Still no comment?") looks quite abrasive, which really wasn't what I intended. Normally I would take a lack of comments on the talk page to mean consent. In this case the sentence was edited but no note appeared, which confused me. The question was meant in good faith and it turns out my comment was simply overlooked, so I apologise. --Lo2u (TC) 03:13, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
I have the page watchlisted, but must've missed the discussion - I came to it late. What about adding Sale? If not, Warrington might be suitable (it's in the WA postcode area), although really I'm happy to go with the majority here; if say Nev1 is also happy with a particular change then I will be too. --Jza84 |  Talk  13:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, Manchester, Sale, Stretford and Altrincham are in a straight line along the A56, which is useless for triangulation. So do you think we should give distances from Manchester, Warrington and one other place - either Sale or Stretford? If this is the case I'd support Sale for reasons above. I'd suggest I suppose four places is just too much for the intro. --Lo2u (TC) 14:53, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Manchester, Warrington and Sale? Sounds good to me. :) --Jza84 |  Talk  20:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Agreed, actually I thought I'd already said something like that but I must have forgotten to save the edit. Nev1 (talk) 20:21, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
OK, I've made the changes. Hope it's alright. --Lo2u (TC) 13:25, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Timperley[edit]

Surely the Governance section should make some reference to the expansion of the town to incorporate Timperley. The granting of municipal borough status in 1937 followed on from the enlargement on 1 April 1936. On that date Timperley Civil Parish was abolished; small areas were added to Hale Urban District and Sale Municipal Borough, but the overwhelming majority of the parish was incorporated into Altrincham Urban District.[1] At the same time, there was a minor exchange of areas with Hale Urban District; a minor addition from Bowdon Urban District; and a hefty chunk of Dunham Massey Civil Parish was added.

There had been an earlier expansion of Altrincham Urban District on 1 October 1920 when part of Carrington Civil Parish and another huge chunk of Dunham Massey Civil Parish had been added.[2] I think it was at this time that Dunham Massey's parish church came to be within the Altrincham boundaries; and there was a boundary marker still in position a few years ago, somewhere on the main Chester road.

Skinsmoke (talk) 19:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Good points, feel free to be bold and make the additions. Nev1 (talk) 19:32, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Now done. I'm always a bit wary about doing anything with Featured Articles without getting a second opinion! Skinsmoke (talk) 19:54, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

The Gathering Storm[edit]

I'd suggest that The Sun is not a reliable source to quote when discussing this report. I'm not even sure why the newspaper picked the town, which it incorrectly describes as "once considered posh" - to anyone around Manchester, it still is posh. It also fails to mention the typical rate of vacancy, which I would presume is probably in the 25% area. Parrot of Doom 12:06, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

I've trimmed the sensationalism, and the unnecessary duplication and kept it to the facts. I was able to find something from the BBC which I regard as a better quality than The Sun; I wish people could be bothered to look for decent sources before they edit. It's just plain sloppy to use tabloids like this. The BBC article doesn't say what the average is unfortunately, so aside from saying this is taking place during the recession, it doesn't give much context. Nev1 (talk) 12:13, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Juniper[edit]

It's been closed down since April 2009... I corrected it to "had", but wondered whether to take it out entirely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.220.188.95 (talk) 15:23, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure. A Michelin star is a bit out of the ordinary, but is it still worth mentioning now it's shut down. Nev1 (talk) 18:21, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

"Station location"[edit]

I'm guessing that this article is about the above-mentioned development? If so, the article text needs amending. I'd change it myself but it might be a different development. Parrot of Doom 18:06, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Yep, it's the same thing. I'll get on it. Nev1 (talk) 18:21, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Ok cheers. I'm off out now to eat volcanic beef or something. All sounds very exciting. Parrot of Doom 18:40, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
I've no idea about volcanic beef, but I have heard of ejaculating cake. I wonder how many takes it too for Heston Blumenthal to deliver the line "Mish needs to understand how my ejaculation will work" with a straight face. Apparently it's like Mount Vesuvius. Nev1 (talk) 19:03, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

schools[edit]

Responsibility for education in the town fell to Cheshire County Council in 1903. Loreto Convent, the County High School for Girls, and Altrincham County High School for Boys, were founded in 1909, 1910, and 1912 respectively. Although still open these schools have since changed their names to Altrincham Grammar School for Girls, Altrincham Grammar School for Boys, and Loreto Grammar School. The schools were built after the First World War due to a population boom caused by a post-war housing programme. Altrincham received evacuees during the Second World War, and it was in this period that St. Ambrose College was founded.

  • These three schools were built before the first world war. Is there something missing here? Parrot of Doom 13:55, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
As I can't find Bayliss' book to see what should have been written I've removed the bit about the reason for founding the schools. Nev1 (talk) 18:49, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Disputed copyright on main image[edit]

There seems to be a dispute about the copyright of the main image in the article. It was uploaded in 2008 and in 2009 an IP edited the description to say it was theirs and had been 'stolen' from Panoramio. Nothing appears to have been done about it and the message is still there. I couldn't find the image in Panoramio but whether it's true or not it's a bit embarrassing for a TFA to have that on the main image description. Richerman (talk) 23:25, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

An alternative lead image?
Bugger, I hadn't noticed that because I don't have that file watchlisted on commons, and rarely check in any case (the claim is here, it took me a while to find it). We aren't innundated with high quality images which could be used as the lead image, but I'd rather play it safe. It's a bit tall, but how about the Linotype building on the right? Nev1 (talk) 23:37, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
There are plenty more on Geograph. I'll hunt something nice down. Parrot of Doom 23:38, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for that - sorry I don't have time to do anything about it myself but I'm up at 6 am so I'm just off to bed. Richerman (talk) 23:44, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
I was able to find a suitable photo already on commons, it just hadn't been categorised properly. Thanks for spotting the issue Richerman, it never occurred to me to check. An at least skimming through commons turned up some better iamges. Nev1 (talk) 23:51, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Geography & United Utilities[edit]

No doubt United Utilities are happy for the inclusion, but being in a section titled "Geography" surely a line on water supply should mention the specific sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.28.211.38 (talk) 00:41, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

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Bowdon Rooms[edit]

J3Mrs deleted a reference to the Bowdon Rooms as spam, and certainly the citations are inexpert. However it is not to me obviously spam in the sense of WP:Spam: it is not clear the sentence was been added so as to drive external clicks for those seeking a venue, partly because it does not choose a particularly effective place or form of words to do so. Moreover the existing section, entitled Events and Venues, seems an appropriate one for the article, and within such a section the Bowdon Rooms appear to me from a Google News search to be notable, and at least as notable as the two existing venues. Better to improve the sentence - especially with better sources - than delete it. (But perhaps better in the Bowdon article than the Altrincham one). Js229 (talk) 23:08, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

It was an advert, so it's spam. If it's notable, your edit failed to explain why. J3Mrs (talk) 06:33, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

It wasn't my edit in the first place; though I do use the building I have no connection with the wedding business; please assume good faith and check my edit history if that would help you to do so. As WP:Spam says, it would only be spam if the intention of inserting the link was to advertise the business, and I gave reasons why that might not be the case. It's odd you say I failed to explain why it is notable immediately below a discussion about notability. In sum I think it would have been more helpful to improve the sentence than delete it. Please consider self-reverting. Js229 (talk) 08:00, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Of course it's spam. Mr Stephen (talk) 17:37, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

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