Talk:American game show winnings records

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Sandra Diaz-Twine[edit]

Sandra Diaz-Twine's 2 million dollar win on Survivor does not count. While Survivor airs in the United States, It is not filmed in America. An American game show is defined as a game show that is both filmed and shown in the United States. Therfore, No Survivor contestant qualifies an an American game show contestant. —Preceding Wikipedia:Signatures comment added by Special:Contributions/Notundercovercop327 (talk) 23:39, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Survivor is an American television series, airing first-run episodes on an American television network and produced by the American company Mark Burnett Productions, Inc.[1] [2].Sottolacqua (talk) 01:16, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Just because Survivor is recorded in a different part of the world, does not mean that it is not an American game show. The production company is American. WikiLubber (talk) 21:12, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I came here to point out that Survivor contestants are not counted but should. Plus, Rupert (the pirate) I think also won over 1.1 mil. Nergaal (talk) 03:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Survivor is not a game show, it is a reality competition. If Sruvivor is a game show, then so is the World Series of Poker and we must include all of the top money winners in that event. --173.54.203.93 (talk) 05:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

If Sandra from Survivor is included in this listing, is there any reason why Erin Brodie ($2M from For Love or Money) is listed beside. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.102.52.218 (talk) 01:24, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

The Big Spin $15m win[edit]

Should this be included or excluded? --ÆAUSSIEevilÆ 03:01, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Only those shown on national game shows count. 208.120.60.120 (talk) 21:13, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

If Sandra Diaz-Twine is counted, then why is not Melanie Amaro?[edit]

The X Factor carried a $5,000,000 cash prize for winning an elimination contest similar in elimination structure to the show Diaz-Twine won. So, if Diaz-Twine counts, then why is Amaro not considered the leader on this chart? J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 00:50, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

The X Factor is not a game show. There are no games involved, unlike Survivor. WikiLubber (talk) 00:55, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Fashion Star[edit]

Fashion Star carries a $6 million prize for winning. The season finale, however, is tonight. I'm thinking this is not a game show. Does this count? I'm just curious. --WM-86 11:35, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Adam Rose[edit]

I noticed that by Adam Rose's name there is a citation needed message. What exactly is this asking for?Bentvfan54321 (talk) 14:59, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Ken Jennings on The Howard Stern Show[edit]

Ken was a guest on the Howard Stern Show this year. A long running segment on the show is "Win Fred's Money" in which guest compete against Fred Norris. Ken won $5000 on that show which is televised on Howard Stern On Demand. Should we add $5000 to his winnings total?--96.49.243.17 (talk) 11:40, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

If the show is televised nationally, I see no reason why the $5,000 he won wouldn't count, as long as a reliable source is provided. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 00:13, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Possible changes?[edit]

While Survivor and The Amazing Race are (in my opinion) much closer to game shows than Idol or The X Factor, they're still technically reality competitions. Since there is (or was) so much discussion over whether or not these contestants should be included, I propose either removing all the Survivor or Amazing Race contestants from the list completely, or creating a separate article similar to this one for reality show winnings records. I was also checking archives for this talk page and saw that some editors believed that ALL winnings should count, even if they go to charity (which would mean adding $150,000 to Ken Jennings' total, $100,000 to Brad Rutter's, and changing John Carpenter's to $1,250,000, which would be enough to put him on the chart). I agree with that, because it doesn't matter who gets the money, or what the contestant does with it, he still went on the show and won that money, so it shouldn't change the winnings total. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 13:15, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

As it's been over a MONTH and I haven't gotten a single reply, I'll go ahead and boldly change the totals of the respective players (I'll leave the Survivor contestants on the list for now). If anyone disagrees with this change, please let me know. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 16:58, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Andrew Kravis on "The Million Second Quiz"[edit]

Should Andrew Kravis, who won $2.6 million U.S. on the Million Second Quiz be included in the list of all-time American game show winners? WadeSimMiser (talk) 23:58, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Erin Brodie on "For Love or For Money"[edit]

Erin Brodie won $1 million at her first time in the competition and again another $1 million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.184.98 (talk) 17:53, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

This is something that has been pointed out before. There is a difference between typical game shows like Jeopardy! and Millionaire, and reality competitions like Survivor. I think that creating an article for winnings records on these shows would settle this dispute, so I'm open to suggestions and thoughts from others. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 18:40, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
As it has been two months since this discussion began and nobody has replied, I'll go ahead and remove them from the list in a week, unless someone raises a concern before then. I will also note that there were no Survivor contestants on the list until Diaz-Twine's second $1,000,000 win, meaning the article did not include these contestants originally (many would have appeared on the list before it was shortened to the top ten). --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:54, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
As it has been eleven months since I first mentioned this and I have not gotten a single reply, I will remove Diaz-Twine and Mariano from the list, and add back Carpenter and Rose (with citations) back into the list. Again, if anyone disagrees, please do not hesitate to let me know. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 19:18, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
You are right. I am the one who created this page and did not do so for reality shows to be included. These are GAME SHOWS. --ChrisP2K5 (talk) 17:15, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:American game show winnings records/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 09:19, 1 July 2015 (UTC)


Comments

  • We don't start articles with "This article lists..."
Yes check.svg Done? --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • "Through the years there have been number of big winners as American game shows competed for viewers' attention by offering ballooning prizes to their contestants." this isn't really encyclopedic writing and as it's unreferenced, it appears to be simply your opinion.
Yes check.svg Done? --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • "During the 1950s, which is often referred to as the Golden Age of Television, the overall, and longest held, record was set by Teddy Nadler with $264,000 in 1957." awkward phrasing, particularly as you start "during the 1950s" and end "in 1957" in the same sentence. Consider splitting.
Yes check.svg Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • You don't mention which show Nadler won his prize on.
Crystal Clear action edit add.png Added --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • "seven figure prize on" hyphenate seven-figure, and I assume you mean this to be an American record?
Yes check.svg Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • "As of May 16, 2014" still correct as of July 1, 2015?
Yes check.svg Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • I've rewritten the lead, let me know if you want something different (the lead is usually the part of the article I struggle with the most). --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 19:07, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
  • " for many years," is this necessary? Just stick to the facts, when did he win it, how long did he hold the record, avoid such euphemistic language.
Crystal Clear action edit remove.png Removed --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • " that awarded constants with" eh? Do you mean "that awarded contestants" or "that rewarded contestants with" or something else?
Yes check.svg Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • "an additional spin, allowing him to spin the board in the second round as long as wanted" not getting this, I get a second spin, but what is the "as long as wanted"?
Crystal Clear action edit add.png Added an explanation. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • "by Sheree Heil from Heil's appearance on The Price Is Right" -> "Sheree Heil after her appearance..."
Yes check.svg Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • "including an Audi R8 won in Gas Money" I don't understand what this means.
Yes check.svg Done, it's a pricing game played on the show; I've added a link. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Image caption, lighten it up, just say "X (left) with host Y (center) and fellow contestant Z"
Yes check.svg Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • "changed hands quite a few times over the years" this is not encyclopedic tone.
Crystal Clear action edit remove.png Removed --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • "of Twenty One infamy" people who aren't aware of this show or its history have no idea why this has some kind of "infamy".
Crystal Clear action edit remove.png Removed --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • "1956–57 television season" tv seasons span years?
In the US, yes. The television season is generally considered to take place from September to May, with reruns and replacement series airing over the summer. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • "$312,700 (today $895 thousand" why not $895,000?
  • It's a template and that's how the template formats it. I don't know how I would change it. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 14:08, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Are your inflation conversions up to date? I expect you should have "as of 2015" in there too, bacause the "today" changes...
  • Honestly, you're asking the wrong guy. They were added here, shortly after I started my time on Wikipedia and while I was still learning the ropes (I probably didn't even know what a GA was back then). If they're unnecessary and too complicated, I really have no problem with removing them. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 14:08, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
  • In that case, are you the right person to be nominating this for GA? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:42, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes, as I've done the bulk of the work prepping it (the guy who made the above edits has only contributed the inflation portion). And thanks for the temp, I'll try to take a look later tonight. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 17:54, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • "in game show history at the time" US game show history or world game show history?
Yes check.svg Done American. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • "It was during the second season..." again, this reads like a newspaper report or a novel rather than an encyclopedically toned article.
Yes check.svg Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • "Host Maury Povich proclaimed him "the TV Game Show King" for surpassing Carpenter's mark" ref
Crystal Clear action edit add.png Added --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:25, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • "Oberholtzer's record did not last long." tone.
Crystal Clear action edit remove.png Removed --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:25, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • "began bringing back some " "brought back"
Yes check.svg Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:25, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Several claims in this section without references.
  • "big win" tone.
Crystal Clear action edit remove.png Removed "big" --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:25, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • " in a span of two months" don't need a span of.
Crystal Clear action edit remove.png Removed --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:25, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • You switch between $1,000,000 and $1 million, be consistent.
Crystal Clear action edit remove.png Removed --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:25, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • " the hot seat " tone.
Crystal Clear action edit remove.png Removed --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:25, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • "Exactly one week..." just "One week..." suffices.
Yes check.svg Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:25, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • "This June 2, 2004 episode" -> "The episode, broadcast on June 2, 2004, was..."
Yes check.svg Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:25, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Use non-breaking spaces to avoid splitting "$2" from "million", for instance.
Not an issue as these have all become "$X,000,000".
  • "handily defeated " tone.
Crystal Clear action edit remove.png Removed handily. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:25, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

That's it for now, there's so much here to do, I'll come back and complete the review if I see progress being made. It really does need a thorough copyedit for tone, stripping out lots of the colloquialisms and "familiar" prose. On hold for a week. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:48, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: Thanks for taking this up; the article was in rough shape in terms of prose when I began working on it so I can't say I'm too surprised, but I think we can get it done. Thanks, --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 13:08, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
@The Rambling Man: I think I've taken care of most everything on this checklist. Regarding the "Several claims in this section without references," would you mind pointing toward some of these when you get a chance? Thanks for everything so far, including Idiotest. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 01:25, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
No worries, from a first glance, this article's improvements are substantial, so it'll take me a bit of time to go over the whole thing again, which I'll aim to do tomorrow. Thanks for addressing my initial comments. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:52, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Impressive, I made a couple of minor adjustments myself, but this is certainly sufficient now to claim good article status so I'll promote. Good work. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:38, 3 July 2015 (UTC)