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Seeking for consensus, suggested changes[edit]

The recent back and forth over the word 'conservative' in the lead seems like a tempest in a teacup. I suggest the following changes in the hopes of consensus:

Andrew Michael Sullivan (born 10 August 1963) is a British author, editor and blogger. Sullivan is a conservative political commentator, a former editor of The New Republic and the author or editor of six books. He was a pioneer of the political blog, starting his in 2000. He eventually moved the blog to various publishing platforms, including Time, The Atlantic, and The Daily Beast and finally an independent subscription-based format. He announced his retirement from blogging in 2015.
Sullivan's conservatism is Sullivan identifies as a conservative, and describes his conservatism as rooted in his Catholic background and in the ideas of the British political philosopher Michael Oakeshott.

How does that look to everyone? LK (talk) 02:18, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Opposed. Phrasing it in this way gives undue weight and may appear to endorse the POV that he is not a conservative, which is not supported by RS. Gamaliel (talk) 05:03, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Support. And I think you did a good job with the phrasing. It’s a question of primacy. We don’t start Obama’s article with “Democrat president” or “liberal president” - and Democrat is objective. We don’t start Olbermann’s article with “liberal commentator.” I’m not saying that because we don’t do it there we shouldn’t do it here, no: for the same good reasons we don’t do it there we shouldn’t do it here - one of which is simply that our goal should not be to influence. We present facts/views and let the reader form their own opinions. The guy supported gay marriage and Obama’s election - does that make him liberal? I don’t think so but that’s subjective. So we include it but lets remember RS isn't a magic spell that converts opinions (he’s conservative!) to facts (he was born in Surrey.) James J. Lambden (talk) 05:24, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
To be clear, we don't call Obama a "Democrat president" because the correct adjective is "Democratic."
Oppose. What Gamaliel says is correct, but in addition: Sullivan's conservatism is central to nearly everything he's written or said in his role as a political commentator. The fact that this might not always line up with what the Republican party supports is irrelevant. Mizike (talk) 20:36, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Oppose, for the reasons stated by Mizike above. Dyrnych (talk) 21:36, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Nationality, occupation[edit]

The lede states "Andrew Michael Sullivan (born 10 August 1963) is a British author, editor, and blogger. Sullivan is a conservative political commentator, a former editor of The New Republic...He announced his retirement from blogging in 2015." Three things are incorrect about this: Sullivan now holds permanent US residency, so he would no longer be considered British, he's described as a former editor, and since "he announced his retirement from blogging", he's no longer a blogger. He is, however, now a columnist for New York Magazine. I suggest that the first sentence be changed to "Andrew Michael Sullivan (born 10 August 1963) is a British-American author and columnist", full-stop. Bricology (talk) 16:52, 2 May 2016 (UTC)