Talk:Andy Ganteaume

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Good articleAndy Ganteaume has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
January 10, 2013Good article nomineeListed
February 16, 2018Good article reassessmentKept
Current status: Good article

Review[edit]

  • " It is also the highest innings by a former player to have played only one Test match.[8][9]"
Not a particularly graceful line.
The problem is that there is currently a current player with a one-Test higher average, but he is likely to play again. So it may have to remain inelegant until his average drops and we can simply state that Ganteaume has the highest average full stop. I've reworked it a bit to take out the highest score in a solitary Test. This will need some more work later. Sarastro1 (talk) 21:08, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Having played just one Test innings, Ganteaume was left with a Test batting average of 112, which is higher than that of Donald Bradman, who has the highest average of those to play more than 20 innings in a Test career"

Long winded

Broken into two sentences, but I think all this needs to be there to avoid OR. Sarastro1 (talk) 21:08, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can you add a Statsguru link that shows that AG has the highest average. CI articles are never updated.
Done. Sarastro1 (talk) 21:08, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • " He did not bat in the second innings, when West Indies needed to score runs quickly in an unsuccessful attempt to win the game; the match was drawn after a long rain interruption;"

This gives the impression that it rained when WI batted. The source says " but crucially two hours were lost to rain on the fourth day" Tintin 16:15, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed, although not particularly elegantly. Sarastro1 (talk) 21:08, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Passing comment: "but his time for sport was restricted by his career in the civil service" - can you find anything about what sort of position he actually held in the civil service? After all, a bio should be as complete as possible, so his career is relevant. All the more, since it is actually mentioned in the article. Guettarda (talk) 18:37, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nothing in the sources I have access to. There is an autobiography, but it is not the easiest to get hold of and is rather too expensive for me to want to get it for minor details. This would probably answer this, and the following question. You may have more luck getting it than me. Also, this may make it touch-and-go whether this article can be a GA as there are other sources available which have more information. Sarastro1 (talk) 21:17, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I know what you mean. I was just hoping you might have his autobiography. Guettarda (talk) 23:34, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also the race question would be significant if you can find more about it. (I find myself wondering if there isn't something more there, given that he's a Ganteaume, which would make him a cousin of some sort to at least a certain segment of the white elite.[1])
  • That sounds likely, as I imagine it is not a common name. However, we cannot really speculate in the article. As I mention above, he wrote an autobiography which may contain some answers, but he did not allude to this in the interviews he gave when the book came out. So if there is more to it, he isn't saying either. Sarastro1 (talk) 21:17, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • A few other things
    • I noticed that the Fazeer Mohammed mentioned that he played for Maple Club, which was probably where he played most of his cricket and football; he's also mentioned to have played for UBOT[2] which indicates that in addition to working for the civil service, he also worked for UBOT.
  • I think this would be marginal in the article as there is no indication of its importance in my sources. I know something about the Maple Club, but there is no article on it and my only source is CLR James. My instinct would be to leave this out for now unless there is something which connects him to Maple and says "this is a big deal!" Otherwise, to the general reader, it is just a local club with no importance (which would be incorrect, but we need sources!). (To digress, I am often tempted to make articles on Maple, Shannon, etc, but lack sourcing other than James and so remain reluctant to do so).
    • The TT Cricket Board lists Ganteaume as an honorary life member[3]
    • He is listed as having been awarded the Hummingbird Medal (Gold)[4]
    • He was the first TT cricketer to make a century in their test debut (and the only one to do so until Adrian Barath did in 2009)[5] Guettarda (talk) 19:17, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Personally, I am not convinced that these warrant a mention. On the last one, the article mentions that he was the first TT player to score a Test century; I'm not sure the debut century statistic is that significant. On the other two, I am not aware of how prestigious either of these items are. However, you undoubtedly know more than me on that one, and I have no objection to you or anyone else adding them if you think they are important. Sarastro1 (talk) 21:17, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(Note, my comments are just thoughts on improvement, don't take them as a formal part of the review. Guettarda (talk) 23:34, 6 January 2013 (UTC))[reply]

  • I don't think that its grade is anywhere near for GA-Class articles. At best its a C-Class article. Please see Template:Grading scheme. On the review, when it says reasonably well written, it should be in light of Template:Grading scheme. This is an example of reasonably well written for GA-Class [6]. So it doesn't pass reasonably well written for GA-class. It doesn't pass broad in its coverage as well. Only 13 sources mentioned, whereas the example shows atleast 200+ sources for a GA-class, so it fails on that as well. So, I think its grade should change to C.  M A A Z   T A L K  13:17, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Sahara4u (talk · contribs) 05:49, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lede[edit]

  • Any image for the lede?
  • Afraid not; there are no free images from this period, and you cannot claim fair use for images of living people. Sarastro1 (talk) 18:15, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Trinidadian former cricketer → former Trinidadian cricketer?
  • This wording would suggest he was no longer a Trinidadian, so I'd prefer to leave this as it is. Sarastro1 (talk) 18:15, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...which left with him with highest Test batting average in history. → no need of the 1st "with"
  • You may mention the New Zealander Rodney Redmond somewhere in the article
  • Why? I don't think that is relevant to Ganteaume, and it is an article about him, not successful "one-Test wonders". Sarastro1 (talk) 18:15, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, no big deal. Zia Khan 22:40, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link batting
  • Added a phrase to say he was a batsman, and linked it there. Sarastro1 (talk) 23:41, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Early life[edit]

  • ...as they had already had a chance to get... "had" is redundant

Test match call-up[edit]

  • ...England cricket team toured the West Indies.... Link both England cricket team and West Indies
  • Done, although I have not linked WI in this sentence as it does not refer to the team. Sarastro1 (talk) 18:15, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...an injury to one of the West Indies' opening batsmen.... You may mention the player name here
  • ...but when West Indies batted.... "the" before West Indies. There may other check 'em out.
  • Link bowling and captain
  • 24-man .... 24-men?

Later career[edit]

  • I think you should link the teams in each section at their first use.
  • That would be overlinking. Once in the lead and once in the main body is enough for an article of this length. Sarastro1 (talk) 18:15, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • ....scored 800 runs at an average of 27.58,[6] → full-stop instead of comma
  • He passed fifty in seven innings, with a top-score of 92 against Glamorgan,[4], but Norman Preston, the editor of Wisden Cricketers' Almanack, suggested neither Ganteaume, nor any of the other three specialist opening batsmen in the team, never "came up to expectations", forcing Frank Worrell to open the batting.[7] → Too many commas, you may rephrase the sentence, also there are 2 commas after Glamorgan.
  • ...and the fourth oldest in the world.[12] → You may mention 3 other names by adding a note.
  • Why? It is not about them, and rather makes the article a little trickier to update. It is not a big deal really. Sarastro1 (talk) 18:15, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, this was a minor one. Zia Khan 22:40, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • A mention of Abul Hasan's average in the note would be nice. Zia Khan 05:49, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Final review[edit]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a: b:
  7. Result: Good work, promoted to GA status. Zia Khan 12:41, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Pass/Fail:
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