Talk:Angela Merkel

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Former good article nominee Angela Merkel was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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December 6, 2005 Peer review Reviewed
September 29, 2006 Good article nominee Not listed
Current status: Former good article nominee


HEy folks, the controversies paragraph is of quiet poor quality beeing largely a collection of unrelated stuff which often does not even qualify for beeing a controversy. A lot of the content should go directly into context with paragraphs describing Merkels career and political positions. Examples:

Members of her cabinet and Merkel herself also support state schools enabling Islamic religious instruction (similar to the provision of denominational Christian religious instruction).[130][131][132]
Her trademark Merkel-Raute has been described as "probably one of the most recognisable hand gestures in the world".[135]

How are these things a controversy?

In July 2013, Merkel defended the surveillance practices of the NSA, and described the United States as "our truest ally throughout the decades".[136][137] During a visit of U.S. President Barack Obama in Berlin, Merkel said on 19 June 2013 in the context of the 2013 mass surveillance disclosures: "The Internet is uncharted territory for us all". (German: Das Internet ist Neuland für uns alle.) This statement led to various internet memes and online mockery of Merkel.[138][139] ...

Why not put this either chronologically into the description of her chancellorship or to positions on foreign policy or privacy rights?

In August 2014, Merkel visited Ukraine to show her support for Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko.[142] Human Rights Watch said that "Merkel's visit is an opportunity for her to denounce violations of international humanitarian law by the Ukrainian military."[143]

Does not sound to be controversial at all.

Maybe the Westergard thing and the criticism for her stance in the refugee question are the only real things that qualify as criticism but in my eyes they should be explained in context, i.e. in a paragraph describing Merkels position on immigration and refugees together with the critizism she received for it. LucLeTruc (talk) 12:03, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

I agree with this. We can integrate legitimate criticisms into paragraphs about her policy positions or actions as Chancellor. Lumping together positions that some people disagree with and calling them controversies is misleading. Knope7 (talk) 17:54, 27 May 2017 (UTC)


Does anyone object if we put the IPA for "Angela" and/or "Merkel" in the lead sentence? Since especially "Angela" with a hard g is not obvious to English speakers, it would comply with "if the name of the article has a pronunciation that's not apparent from its spelling, include its pronunciation in parentheses after the first occurrence of the name" in the MOS Siuenti (talk) 13:32, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

@Siuenti: There is a footnote after her name containing a detailed description of various pronunciations – I quote:

The English pronunciation of her first name is /ˈæŋɡələ/ or /ˈɑːŋ-/, and that of her last name is /ˈmɛərkəl/, or alternatively /ˈmɜːrkəl/.[1][2] In German, her last name is pronounced [ˈmɛɐ̯kl̩].[3][4] There are several different ways to pronounce the name Angela in German. The Duden Pronunciation Dictionary[5] lists [ˈaŋɡela] and [aŋˈɡeːla]. According to her biographer, Merkel prefers the pronunciation with stress on the second syllable[6] ([aŋˈɡeːla] with a long /eː/). This pronunciation is more common in Austria.[7][8] Other pronunciations, such as [ˈaŋɡəla] and [ˈaŋəla] are also heard from native German speaking people.[2]

Which English IPA do we use? I think we should include the German as well, perhaps the version she prefers? We could keep the footnote and put it after the IPA and reword it to mention alternative pronunciations. Laurdecl talk 03:02, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Ok I suggest making that footnote more obviously about the pronunciation so people like me don't miss it hehe. Perhaps put /ˈæŋɡələ/a to give a hint. Siuenti (talk) 03:47, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
@Siuenti: Better? Laurdecl talk 06:57, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
I moved the semicolon, now it's like (English /ˈæŋɡələ ˈmɛərkəl/[a]; which is good for me. Siuenti (talk) 11:57, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Adding sources[edit]

I am planning to try and add sources for the unsourced material currently in the article. Anyone who would like to join me in this effort is welcome. Also, for consecutive sentences which share a common source, I will be using <!-- --> to avoid over referencing. This makes the source visible in edit mode or visual edit mode. Knope7 (talk) 19:06, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Angela Merkel without headscarf in Saudi Arabia[edit]

Mixing with male politicians of Saudi Arabia isn't news as Condi Rice,Hillary Clinton, and others have done it previously. However, it has received significant coverage and deserves a mention. [1]--2601:C4:C001:289E:70D2:650D:6C92:D31C (talk) 07:00, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Nah. WP:NOTNEWS.Volunteer Marek (talk) 07:08, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
agree. Not news. Merkel wearing a burka would be news. Apuldram (talk) 22:02, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Allowing refugees to resettle in Germany[edit]

Merkel's 2015 decision to allow refugees to resettle in Germany should be discussed in this article. I've noticed that the word "refugee" appears in a picture caption and in the title of multiple sources cited in the article, yet the word "refuge" does not appear in the body of the article itself. That was a major policy decision. Also, the photograph that uses the caption "By opening Germany's borders to refugees fleeing Middle East, some critics have blamed Merkel for encouraging the mass migration into Europe." should probably be re-captioned. I don't think the picture itself is critical of Merkel so its odd that the caption would refer only to critics and not the policy itself. Knope7 (talk) 21:42, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Leader of the Free World[edit]

She has been described as the leader of the free world but so has Trump and Obama Not to mention her posistion as the second most powerful person, she has also been third, sixth as well — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redom115 (talkcontribs) 08:11, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

So? Why should it matter for this article? The first paragraph of the lead section is not intended to list every trivial detail of a magazine's list over the years. It's sufficient with the most notable/widely used descriptions in the lead, namely "de facto leader of the European Union" which has been used by numerous sources over the last decade, "most powerful woman in the world" which has also been widely used by many sources, and "leader of the free world" which has been very widely used since late 2016. We don't need a fourth "one of the world's most powerful people" because that is self-evident and the description itself isn't particularly notable (perhaps because it's so self-evident). --Tataral (talk) 10:12, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
Was the original comment was implying that Merkel is not the only person who has been called the leader of the free world and using that as an argument against inclusion? I don't think we need Merkel to the universally agreed upon leader of the free world to make it relevant to the article. Important sources have referred to Merkel that way and it is reliably sourced in the article. Knope7 (talk) 00:38, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Infobox Picture[edit]

Why is her picture a picture of her giving a speech? Make her official portrait her infobox portrait. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:05, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

What's wrong with a picture of her making a speech? That's one of the things she does quite often. I prefer to see a picture of someone in action. Apuldram (talk) 18:34, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
I agree with anon. There are many good pictures of Merkel in Commons. This is not one of them. Framing is horrible and her face should be more visible. I recommend a more centralized picture where her face can be more clearly seen, such as this: NoMoreHeroes (talk) 19:01, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
Angela Merkel CDU Parteitag 2014 by Olaf Kosinsky-28.jpg

Can someone show the "oficial portrait" here? Is it copyright free? Apuldram (talk) 21:55, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

The great majority of world leaders infobox pictures are flattering official portraits of them the way they want to be portrayed, or smiling headshot photos that flatter their subject. Consider the images for Theresa May, Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, or Martin Schulz, which are all official portraits or the unofficial but headshot style, smiling portraits of Emmanuel Macron, Justin Trudeau, Frank-Walter Steinmeier or Malcolm Turnbull. It seems a bit unfair to give Angela Merkel an unflattering photo of her making a slightly ominous hand gesture with a somewhat pained expression. I would suggest using one of the photos that Angela Merkel uses on her government profile which should be copyright free under German official works law.

File:Merkel 1.jpg
Merkel's official biography page portrait

N0thingbetter (talk) 08:55, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

I believe the concept of an "official portrait" of a politician is mainly a US phenomenon. The website of the Chancellor does include an "official-looking" portrait, but it isn't particularly good and there is no indication of it being available under a free license. File:Angela Merkel CDU Parteitag 2014 by Olaf Kosinsky-28.jpg, which is a random photo taken during a party conference, is certainly not a good portrait; she has a weird and passive facial expression, and is probably listening to a question or something like that. --Tataral (talk) 09:04, 7 June 2017 (UTC)