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Remove Old False Information[edit]

There is a government forming in Antarctica and it is not the Treaty. There is an indigenous population and large numbers of living persons who were born in the Antarctic Seas, on islands or research stations. These people are forming into a new government that may be named Trinity, Nation of the Sea or The Sovereign Nation of Antarctica, the Antarctic Islands and the Undersea Territories of the Antarctic People, Human and other. If this movement is ever published about in media or recognized by any legitimate institution of government, it should be mentioned. As for now until there is something more substantial about it, it should remain left out of the article. I only mention this because it could make merging the treaty system and the government a bad move. In any case, the statement that there is no native human population has been untrue for a great while now. Scottprovost (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:30, 3 July 2010 (UTC).

comments[edit]

Merge with Government of Antarctica ? --Ann O'nyme 07:50, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I think Government of Antarctica should be definitively merged with Antarctic Treaty System because the content between these two articles is already now highly redundant (Government of Antarctica containing most of the information Antarctic Treaty System contains but not vice versa). The title of the arcticle Antarctic Treaty System is better, but the content of the article Government of Antarctica is much better, so we should copy the additional content of Government of Antarctica into the article Antarctic Treaty System and then delete Government of Antarctica. -- Citylover 11:12, 10 September 2005 (UTC).
Done. I transferred all information from "Government of Antarctica" into this article here (Antarctic Treaty System) and made a redirect from "Government of Antarctica" to this article here (Antarctic Treaty System). -- Citylover 13:58, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Expiration?[edit]

Is there an expiration on this thing? - Amgine 00:06, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It is claimed in a letter published in New Scientist [1] that the antarctic treaty expires in 2009. The letter may refer to "the treaty" or one of the other treaties mentioned here, that is concerned with economic exploitation, but it would in any case be of great importance, especially considering the "road" that the US is building towards the south pole. EverGreg 10:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Ok, seems the treaty dosn't expire, it only has a clause saying it may go up for revisions after 50 years. The relevant part is article 25 quoted below. I don't know how dramatic changes could be and still get a 3/4 majority vote. EverGreg 19:11, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
ARTICLE 25

MODIFICATION OR AMENDMENT

 

2. If, after the expiration of 50 years from the date of entry into force of this

Protocol, any of the Antarctic Treaty Consultative Parties so requests by a

communication addressed to the Depositary, a conference shall be held as soon as

practicable to review the operation of this Protocol.

 

3. A modification or amendment proposed at any Review Conference called

pursuant to paragraph 2 above shall be adopted by a majority of the Parties, including 3/4

of the States which are Antarctic Treaty Consultative Parties at the time of adoption of

this Protocol.

Anime[edit]

There should be a section explaining the Antarctic Treaty of the Mobile Suit Gundam anime. It plays a critical role in the series. User-Name 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I moved it to Antarctic Treaty of Mobile Suit Gundam. That's where it belongs. Lokifer 03:13, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Lokifer, there should be a notice on this page about the Antarctic Treaty from the Gundam anime for those looking up "Antactric Treaty" but are really looking for the "Antactric Treaty of Mobile Suit Gundam". User-Name 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I've taken care of that now. Lokifer 09:39, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Westarctica[edit]

The land from 90 degrees west to 150 degrees west has been claimed by The Grand Duchy of Westarctica. (see http://www.westarctica.com/index.html) -- Citylover 17:13, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Westarctica is more of a micronation set up by a few individuals over a building or a very small area. Its claims over the 60-degree wide area of the continent is not recognized by international law. Currently, all international claims of any part of Antarctica is suspended, and the Antarctic treaty of 1959 spoke of no nation can claim Antarctica. + 71.102.2.206 (talk) 08:16, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

mistake?[edit]

this link on the BAS website shows us that there are 28 Consultative parties, whereas the article states that there are 27 articles:

"The Antarctic Treaty System's yearly Atlantic Treaty Consultative Meetings are the international forum for the administration and management of the region. Only 27 of the 44 parties to the agreements have the right to participate in these meetings. These parties are the Consultative Parties and, in addition to the twelve original signatories, include 15 countries that have demonstrated their interest in Antarctica by carrying out substantial scientific activity there."

is this a mistake, and on which side? --DTR 16:36, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

The data in the article was from 1999, but I've updated it: Estonia became an acceding state on 2001-05-17 and the Ukraine became a consultative party on 2004-05-27 [2]. -- Jeandré, 2006-01-03t22:31z

Economic exploitation[edit]

Is Antarctica currently protected from economic exploitation? Is this mentioned in the treaty? Zargulon 12:10, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


Annual Meetings[edit]

Its impossibale to link to but here is a quote of the http://www.ats.aq/ website"We -the Antarctic Treaty Parties- are meeting in Edinburgh, Scotland from 12 to 23 June 2006 for the XXIXth Antarctic Treaty Consultative Meeting. Our discussions of the international management of Antarctica are this year enhanced by a full day`s consideration of the International Polar Year 2007-2008 and its importance for our Antarctic future." Its impossible to use this a reference becuase the webstie uses AJAX

Acceding?[edit]

Unless I'm missing something, it doesn't seem clear what is meant by countries with "acceding" status on the map (e.g. Canada). I don't find this anywhere in the article. Could this be clarified? Ddddan 16:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Since this is a basic element of all treaties, it's probably not necessary to explain it within the article. To accede to a treaty simply means to sign onto a treaty that's been around for a while - as opposed to being in the room when the treaty was being drafted. Those who were there at the start are considered "signatories"; those who join later are "acceding states". In the case of the Antarctic Treaty, some refer to states that have signed on but not gained decision-making rights (e.g. Canada) as acceding states. Smpowell 05:27, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

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Defunct?[edit]

The Soviet Union is defunct, but the UK and US aren't (yet). Only can't come up with a better way of putting the '46 nations have signed...' sentence, without violating alphabetical order. Sentence would have to be split - like 'original signatories included SU, UK and US and to date 46 nations have signed'.

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Confused[edit]

Im confused about the reserve the right to claim thing with Russia and the US. Do they have territories down there that allow them to make such a claim? Lemniwinks (talk) 03:50, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

table[edit]

Just wondering if the table could be organized a little better. Maybe consolidated to two date columns? --Lasunncty (talk) 18:20, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

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Treaties of Hungary Template[edit]

Is the Treaties of Hungary Template really necessary? --Gimelthedog (talk) 03:47, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

48 or 49 member nations?[edit]

In the intro paragraph, the article states that the treaty "currently has 48 signatory nations", but in the Members section, it states "Currently, there are 49 treaty member nations"... there are 49 countries listed on the table in that section, so I'm going to go ahead and correct the error in the intro paragraph. PrintedScholar (talk) 00:49, 29 December 2011 (UTC)