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Article milestones
DateProcessResult
August 22, 2010Articles for deletionKept
May 7, 2012Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on April 3, 2012.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that 2012 National Player of the Year Anthony Davis (pictured) was unknown locally and nationally through his junior year of high school basketball?
Current status: Good article

Fails Wikipedia:Notability_(sports)#Basketball[edit]

This article fails Wikipedia:Notability_(sports)#Basketball. ----moreno oso (talk) 02:30, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Why is it up for deletion?[edit]

There are references about him and everything and he is a notable basketball recruit for Kentucky. He and his family have been in the news a lot lately over the accusations that his dad wanted money for him to commit to a school. I dont see why this would be nominated for deletion and Michael Gilchrist wouldn't. Ice (talk) 02:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

See the previous section. HS players don't make the WP:N cut. ----moreno oso (talk) 02:38, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Multiple articles have been allowed to stay even while the person was still in HS. Ex: Michael Gilchrist, Kyle Prater, Harrison Barnes, and Brandon Knight (basketball) Ice (talk) 02:42, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Also there were similar discussions for other athletes Arthur Brown, Tre` Newton, Kyle Prater, and Perry Jones. Ice (talk) 02:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFF does not apply. Most of the other AfDs were before the notability for sports figures were arrived at by WP:CONSENSUS.----moreno oso (talk) 03:40, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Multiple issue tags[edit]

This article has a number of references that are not primary sources and which are incidental to local media coverage. While the ESPN ref concerns the subject directly as per it:

  • Davis was an unknown before the spring due to lack of exposure.

Other reliable sources needed to establish notability but this article definitely fails Wikipedia:Notability_(sports)#Basketball. Bringing up WP:OTHERSTUFF does not concur notability. ----moreno oso (talk) 04:02, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Birth year - 1991 or 1993?[edit]

According to the UK media guide, Davis was born in 1991 (See page 39). I am aware some other sources like draft express list it as 1993. What's the truth? I would normally trust the school source. Rikster2 (talk) 22:39, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Goggles[edit]

According to SLAM Magazine he wore goggles as a sophomore. I did not include it in the article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:26, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Nickname[edit]

An IP added the nickname "The Uni-brow". I see some references regarding the nickname such as http://sports-kings.com/?p=10293 and http://www.celticsblog.com/2012/2/26/2826397/how-good-is-anthony-davis, but I see no major WP:RS. I have reverted as unsourced but feel free to correct.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:13, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

First requested move[edit]

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The result of the proposal was not moved. Too soon, try again later. - UtherSRG (talk) 03:30, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Pageview Statistics
Page Last 90 days Last 30 days
Anthony Davis (basketball) 100859 58802
Anthony Davis (composer) 2778 1196
Anthony Davis (linebacker) 1326 428
Anthony Davis (offensive tackle, born 1980) 566 182
Anthony Davis (offensive tackle, born 1989) 5754 966
Anthony Davis (running back, born 1952) 2654 796
Anthony Davis (running back, born 1982) 910 274
Ant (producer) 9039 3388
Beenie Man 48559 16858
Anthony Davis (comedian) 1486 559
Tony Davis (businessman) 244 85
Tony Davis (Gaelic footballer) 610 181
Tony Davis (American football) 884 275
Tony Davis (cornerback) 432 151
Total 176101 84141
Percentage 57.27% 69.89%
Only Anthony and Tony Davis 118503 63895
Percentage 85.11% 92.03%
Only Anthony Davis total 116333 63203
Percentage 86.70% 93.04%

See pageview statistics here.

– The basketball player is coming into prominence. He is expected to the the first draft pick in the June 2012 NBA Draft. Most of these guys are formerly prominent people. Right now and going into the future the basketball player should be on the undabbed page. I don't know how many of the people looking for Beenie Man and Ant (producer) actually come to the disambiguation page.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:24, 14 March 2012 (UTC) TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:24, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Oppose Premature: he may be of some current interest, but whether that will continue going into the future is pure speculation. He might get knocked down by a bus tomorrow, and therefore a very minor footnote in a relatively short time. Maybe one day it will be clear that the move will be justified, but not at this stage. Kevin McE (talk) 19:49, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
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Not unanimous[edit]

He was not "(unanimous)" All American selection. He received 63 out 65 votes. Only Thomas Robinson was unanimous this year.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7738369/kansas-jayhawks-thomas-robinson-highlights-associated-press-all-america-team

StatisticsMan (talk) 19:49, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Unanimous in reference to First team Consensus All-American, means he was first team according to all 4 selectors.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:51, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Personal life source[edit]

The following USA Today article has the names of Davis's parents, elder sister, and twin sister (which is spelled "Antoinette", not "Antoinnete"), and could be used for a reference citation in the first sentence: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/story/2012-03-29/Kentucky-found-hidden-gem-in-Anthony-Davis/53872780/1

I had already included that one, but I had not noticed the older sister in it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:45, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Second Requested Move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not moved. In spite of current popularity, as measured by page views, the consensus is against a promotion to primary topic at this point. The time elapsed since the previous requested move was also deemed too short. Favonian (talk) 21:00, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


– I tried this a month ago due to his rising prominence. He has now swept the most National Player of the Year Awards and the likelihood that he will be the first draft pick in the June 2012 NBA Draft (when his pageviews will peak again) is clearer. Most of these other guys are formerly prominent people. Right now and going into the future the basketball player should be on the undabbed page.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:58, 9 April 2012 (UTC) TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:58, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Pageview Statistics
Page Last 90 days Last 30 days
Anthony Davis (basketball) 374887 299053
Anthony Davis (composer) 3300 1051
Anthony Davis (linebacker) 1429 453
Anthony Davis (offensive tackle, born 1980) 688 268
Anthony Davis (offensive tackle, born 1989) 5952 1608
Anthony Davis (running back, born 1952) 3213 1286
Anthony Davis (running back, born 1982) 1057 423
Anthony Davis (comedian) 1643 570
Ant (producer) 9680 3064
Beenie Man 52629 18279
Tony Davis (businessman) 267 100
Tony Davis (Gaelic footballer) 592 171
Tony Davis (American football) 885 295
Tony Davis (cornerback) 457 145
Anthony Davis (basketball) Percentage 82.09% 91.52%

See pageview statistics here.

  • Mild oppose in part because closed 22 March and trying again 9 April. Is this really so urgent, and is it really so different if Anthony Davis (basketball) comes up first on Google anyway? In ictu oculi (talk) 15:40, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose -- With 14 people sharing a name, it is much better that Anthony Davis should remain a dab-page. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:31, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose -- Like Christopher Knight and Christopher Knight (actor), I don't see this basketball happening to be primary anytime soon. Let's wait for ten or twenty more years to see how consensus changes. --George Ho (talk) 14:38, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
  • He is getting 90% of the pageviews for this name and has been on the cover of Sports Illustrated twice this month (3/19 and 4/9). That sounds pretty primary now if you ask me.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:16, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose it's been less than a month since the last proposal was closed. Also WP:RECENTISM. And WP:CRYSTAL concerning his draft placement. It's not June, and he hasn't been drafted, you can't use that to base his primarity. -- Also Speedy close as being an overly quick renomination. 70.24.248.211 (talk) 15:33, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Anthony Davis (basketball)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Acdixon (talk · contribs) 19:57, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

These were my initial impressions of the article. They are not grouped by the GA criteria they address. I'll take care of that later. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 19:57, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Lede:

  • "He has completed his freshman season for the 2011–12 Kentucky Wildcats and declared for the 2012 NBA Draft." Suggest adding "making him ineligible for further competition in NCAA basketball" or something of that ilk. Folks not familiar with the NCAA's amateurism rules may not know this.
    • This seems an odd level of detail for the LEAD. I don't recall seeing this fact in any article of anyone else who declared early.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:49, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
      • I'll take your word for it that no other early entrants have this fact in the lead. I was just thinking of our non-U.S. readers. I guess when he gets drafted in a couple of months, it will render the point moot anyway. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 13:06, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
  • "He is a 2012 NCAA Consensus First team All-American (unanimous) and was the 2011–12 NCAA Division I men's basketball season blocks leader." Why the shift in tenses?
  • "He has established Southeastern Conference single-season blocked shots and NCAA Division I freshman blocked shots records." Another tense question: why "has established" and not just "established"?
  • "he was unknown nationally and locally after three seasons of play" I gather from the rest of the article that this was because his division is ignored by the Chicago media. Might be nice to mention that here, since the reader otherwise wonders why this guy with a litany of awards was under the radar.
    • I don't think we should state why. He was probably a far less skilled player prior to his senior season too. Saying it was because the media ignored his division might place too much emphasis on that fact. The fact is that he was unknown. Later we detail that he was a late blooming talent and that the division was ignored. Both probably contributed to his lack of attention. While you come to the conclusion that it was because of the lack of notice for the division others might draw the conclusion that he was too short to play the type of game at which he now excels.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:45, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
    • I mentioned the fact that the division is lightly regarded, but stated no direct causality for his lack of recognition.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:57, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
      • I suppose it is more neutral not to draw a direct connection, and it seems OK to me now. On first read-through, it just struck me as odd because I always hear about the legendary Chicago high school basketball scene and figured at least somebody noticed him. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 13:06, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

High school career:

  • "plays in a division of the Chicago Public High School League... that is ignored by the media." Why is this?
  • "Although he went unnoticed nationally and locally after three seasons of Chicago Public League play,he blossomed in April of his junior year for an AAU travelling club team." You can probably eliminate this sentence. It's out of order chronologically, and all the information is mentioned again later anyway.
  • "He was soon thereafter rated as the #1 player in the class of 2011 by Scout.com[6] and in the ESPNU 100. Rivals.com rated him the #2 player behind Austin Rivers." Again, I feel like this needs to be placed later, since it happened later chronologically.
  • "As an unheralded guard after his sophomore season, he worked out with his cousins on guard drills that their father had developed." Maybe add a parenthetical "(Davis' uncle)" after "their father" for clarity about who "their" refers to.
  • "He committed to Kentucky on August 13, 2010 amid a pay for play scandal" I really think the details of the Chicago Sun-Times controversy all need to go right here. Otherwise, mention of a pay-for-play scandal leaves a nefarious cloud over him and UK until much later in the article, where it is explained that nothing was ever proven, and no real evidence was ever offered. Also, you might want to specify that it was a verbal commitment in order to distinguish it from his NLOI signing later.
  • "As late as Spring 2010 he was still unknown, but began to be noticed in mid April. In late April, Syracuse made him an offer. That spring NBA Top 100 Camp Director Dave Telep, invited him to the camp based on his dominant first half performance of the first game of the Fort Wayne, Indiana Spiece Fieldhouse event." Again, these three sentences are out of order chronologically. They belong before his commitment to Kentucky.
  • "In fact, he was a pre-season first team"; "in fact" is unnecessary.
  • "Perspectives is a charter school that operates as a math and science academy with high academic pedigree, but minimal athletic success." This would fit much more nicely with the sentence about Perspectives not having a gym than it does here.
  • "he missed some games due to a sprained right thumb" We don't know how many?
  • "finished the season fourth behind Rivers, Mike Gilchrist" Is it more proper to refer to Gilchrist by his name then, or his more common name (Michael Kidd-Gilchrist) now?
  • "In the April 9 Nike Hoops Summit 92–80 victory over the world team" This is very difficult to parse as worded. Many readers may not even realize that the Nike Hoop Summit is a U.S.-vs.-the-world format. You may need two or more sentences here.

Chicago Sun-Times report:

  • "The University of Kentucky and the Davis family have both threatened to sue the Sun-Times over the article. However, no lawsuits have been filed by Kentucky or the Davis family." You can probably combine these sentences and convert to simple past tense.
  • "Illinois has a one-year statute of limitations on libel cases. Thus, no claim will ever be filed." Maybe more encyclopedic to say "Illinois' one-year statute of limitations on libel cases expired before any lawsuits were filed."

Kentucky Wildcats:

  • "Eric Gordon says Davis is exactly like Camby." Why is Eric Gordon qualified to make such a statement? Has he ever played with/against Davis?
    • I noted that he was a 2008 NBA Draft lottery pick.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:11, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
      • Well, I was thinking more along the lines of what frame of reference Gordon was coming from when making the comparison. Did he watch tapes of Davis to conclude that he was like Camby? I'm sure he played against Camby in the NBA, but I don't know why he was familiar enough with Davis' game to make the comparison. Also, I think the MOS advises against beginning a sentence with a numeral (e.g. "2008 NBA Draft lottery pick Eric Gordon"). Acdixon (talk · contribs) 13:37, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
        • The source did not provide that information.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:16, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
          • I think that makes it much less relevant, then. If Calipari says it, is has credibility, since he coached both of them. If a respected analyst says it, it has credibility, since the analyst is paid to draw relevant comparisons. If a player that played with or against both of them says it, it has credibility, because that player has an appropriate frame of reference. When Gordon says it, we really don't know what his frame of reference is, so we really don't have a context to evaluate the credibility of his statement. You already mention that Davis draws frequent comparisons to Camby; that is probably enough without being supplemented by the opinion of a player who may have only seen a passing highlight reel of Davis, for all we know. I'd recommend just dropping it. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 13:38, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
        • Removed 2008.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:17, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
  • "As the season progressed, he continued to battle Robinson while developing a college level offensive game." You might mention that the two played head-to-head twice during the season.
  • "Davis has led the Wildcats to a SEC conference regular season championship and averages 14.8 points per game, 9.8 rebounds per game, 4.8 blocks per game and has a FG percentage of 65 at Kentucky." Why "has led" instead of "led", "averages" instead of "averaged", and "has" instead of "had"? Also, this sentence needs a cite.
  • I know you are saving his postseason performance for the Honors and awards section, but there ought to be some mention here of Kentucky's loss in the SEC Tournament Championship to Vanderbilt and that Davis led his team to the national championship, just for the sake of completeness. Maybe mention his averages for both tournaments.
    • Are there RS that break down the data like that? I just added the game results.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:07, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
      • I couldn't find the averages for the SEC Tournament, although I'm sure they are somewhere. If I have time, I'll keep looking. I fleshed things out a little using information from The Gleaner, the paper of record for Henderson, Kentucky. Take a look and see what you think. I may have introduced some repetitive wiki-links or something by mistake. If you're OK with this, we're probably done here.
        • Everything looks good to me.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:00, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
        • P.S. note that I linked directly to the team season articles and have removed two redundant links in the awards section later.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:06, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
          • I figured I'd do something like that. I basically just wanted to write something that would show you what I had in mind. Thanks for fixing. I think this is good now. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 15:21, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Watchlists:

  • "along with Kidd-Gilchrist, and Teague" I know you've already mentioned Teague once, but it wasn't in the context of being Davis' Kentucky teammate. You might give his first name again here.
    • My thinking was that since he did not change his name, we should not mention his full name again.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:58, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
      • It's more a service to the reader than anything. I know when I read articles like this, even as a sports fan, I sometimes get lost in the avalanche of names and have to go back to put a last name with a first name and a relationship to the subject. Since the first mention of Teague was just a passing reference to him being a fellow All-American, and since that mention was several paragraphs previous, I think it could be helpful to repeat the first name here. I won't hold up a GA promotion over it if you are adamantly against it, however. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 13:38, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
        • I am hoping that the current 22KB content merely depicts the prologue to a long and prosperous NBA career. I consider 60kb to be a full length WP article. That being said if this grows as I think it could, the two Teague references are too close together compared to the prospective content of the article to warrant a second full mention. If there is 25 or 30 KB of content between mentions then I might rename him fully. This article doesn't even total that much.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:10, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
          • I still disagree, but I won't quibble over it any more at the GA level. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 13:41, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

National:

  • "CBSSports.com used a modified selection process that resulted in Davis being their national player of the year." Not sure I follow this. What was modified about it? When was it modified? Would the likely result have been different had it not been modified?
  • "On March 31, he became the John R. Wooden Award winner." Why not just "won the John R. Wooden Award"?
  • "Davis was selected to the NCAA South Regional All-Tournament Team." This is sort of divorced from the previous scant mentions of the NCAA Tournament. You might preface it with "During the 2012 NCAA Tournament," or something of that ilk, just to keep the reader oriented.
  • "in a rematch against Louisville." The idea of a rematch doesn't mean much here since this article makes no mention of the first match (and probably shouldn't). Just say "against Louisville".

Conference:

  • I generally don't start a new section with a pronoun.
  • "He earned 4 SEC  Freshman of the Week (FOTW) honors ... and 2 SEC Player of the Week (POTW) honors" IIRC, these two are mutually exclusive (i.e. you can't win both in the same week). If so, might want to mention that. Otherwise, one wonders how he could be the best overall player that week, but not the best overall freshman.
    • I hope it is O.K. now.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:08, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
      • It's better. If I can remember, I'll try to dig up something in the next day or two about the rules for being FOTW and POTW. I'm pretty sure the SEC won't let you be both in the same week. If I don't find anything, this will probably suffice. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 13:38, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
      • Contacted the webmaster for the official SEC web site. Rules are not posted there, but he is looking for them for me. I encouraged him to post them when he finds them. Striking this for now; I may revisit it if the search proves fruitful. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 14:53, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
  • "Some have described his SEC title-clinching performance as the most complete performance of his career." Who said this?
  • "He was also selected as the SEC Player of the Year, the SEC Freshman of the Year, the SEC Defensive Player of the Year and a first team all SEC selection." Try to reword to avoid saying he was "selected" as an "all SEC selection".

Records:

  • "Davis blocks more shots per game than most Division I men's teams." Need past tense now. "In the 2011-12 season, Davis blocked more shots per game than most Division I men's teams."
  • "On March 25, Davis established the SEC single-season blocked shots record in the NCAA Tournament South Regional Championship game victory over Baylor." Who held it previously?
  • "He has also surpassed Cousins' Kentucky freshman rebounds record." Need past tense, and what was the old record?

Professional career:

  • "Davis and the entire starting five of the national championship team declared for the 2012 NBA Draft." It bears mention that they were all underclassmen who wouldn't have otherwise been eligible.
GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

With most of the above issues addressed, the article is very close to becoming GA.

  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
    The prose is still choppy in some places, especially around the litany of awards that Davis has received. Fixing this could be difficult, since there isn't a lot that can be done to vary the sentence structure/length when narrating those. While this might need to be addressed before/during FAC, it's plenty good enough for GA.
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    References are abundant and linked to reliable sources. No evidence of OR. I didn't do spot checks, but I'm very familiar with Davis' career and have heard many of these facts mentioned in reliable sources myself. Nothing jumped out at me as being "out there".
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
    One of the issues that remains outstanding above is some narration of the Wildcats' postseason before the Watchlists section. A couple of sentences will suffice, lest we run afoul of 3b, but I feel like that section truncates abruptly, especially considering that Davis' team won the national championship.
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
    No POV that I can detect
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
    This article has been on my watchlist for months; no edit wars that I have observed.
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    Images appear to be free use. The infobox image could have a caption if you wanted to be nitpicky, but I don't. If you wanted to augment the article with more images, there are free images available of Coach Calipari, Terrence Jones, Doron Lamb, Darius Miller, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Marcus Camby, and probably several other folks relevant to Davis' career thus far.
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
    Once the broadness aspect is addressed, I think this will meet GA standards. Pass. Kudos on tackling a topic that probably required a great deal of paring down potential sources! Acdixon (talk · contribs) 14:04, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Possible images[edit]

There is a new photoset of images on flickr. What do people think of the following images:

  1. http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelbytm22/7574916644/in/set-72157630587925706
  2. http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelbytm22/7575122608/in/photostream
  3. http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelbytm22/7575129244/in/set-72157630587925706/

Requested move 11 February 2015[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No move. Cúchullain t/c 13:25, 16 March 2015 (UTC)



Anthony Davis (basketball)Anthony DavisUser:Rracecarr has been insisting that this is an uncontroversial move, and that this article should be the primary topic. With two failed move requests here, I'd say it's not uncontroversial. My request that they do this via RM was not taken well, so rather than see this continue to fester, I thought it worth discussing. Guettarda (talk) 05:30, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Survey[edit]

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
  • Oppose - a basketball player with two years experience in an NBA team I've quite frankly never heard of does not sound like the primary topic. There's no way to tell whether he'll be more notable in the long run than the other people by that name. Certainly Beenie Man, the "King of the Dancehall" is more notable...certainly in global terms he is (and Wikipedia isn't just an encyclopeadia for American sports fans.

    The whole thing about the primary topic is that it's not about being the #1 Google hit - it's supposed to be about long-term significance and, the primary topic (if there is one) is supposed to be ahead by a couple points - it's supposed to be obvious, in a blow others out of the water kind of way. In this case, I'm not convinced that even in the short term. Guettarda (talk) 05:41, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

  • SupportI find it hard to believe that this is a controversial suggestion. Just do a quick google search on Anthony Davis. If there is anyone who does not want to see this happen, then Anthony Davis should at least redirect to Anthony Davis (basketball), with the disambiguation page at Anthony Davis (disambiguaion). Guettarda reverted my attempt to do that, so here we are. Rracecarr (talk) 05:45, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
    • A move request that was rejected twice is, by definition, controversial. As for Google hits - they are, by definition, a poor tool to determine long-term importance. They're flooded by the latest fads. Not to mention, they're tailored to your interests (by your past search). Try Google scholar if you want a real measure of "primary topic". (Google scholar can't even figure out what "Anthony Davis" and "basketball" is supposed to yield. "Anthony Davis" and "Beenie Man" doesn't yield a lot of useful hits, but at least it gives some. Guettarda (talk) 06:01, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Google stats are slanted toward WP:RECENTISM. There is also a heavy systemic bias by the American media on the Internet toward the "glamour position" of a basketball forward and center, versus the "less-than-glamorous" American football offensive tackle, who was also an All-American (both in high school and college), and picked in the first round of his respective professional sports league. There is also heavy systemic bias by the American media on the Internet toward the latest, most recent "it" player in 2015, versus the running back who played back in the 1970s (decades before sports writers even heard of a thing called the Internet) and is now inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame. Zzyzx11 (talk) 06:28, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Support Considering the NBA's position in sports and Anthony Davis' place in the current scene. Not directly linking to Him would be like not directly linking to Obama, and arguing that the United States is not the only country, and others use that name. --Kaptinavenger (talk) 08:37, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
    • Good grief, "Him" eh? I thought he was a basketball player, not a deity! Americans really do take basketball seriously... Seriously though, Obama is not a good comparison at all. He's notable on the world stage; Davis just isn't. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:34, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Far too common a name to be primary topic without being really, really famous. He might be reasonably well-known in the American basketball world. He isn't anywhere else. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:34, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Neutral. I felt it was the correct thing to do in 2012, and he continues to be porominent, but his page is not being viewed as much as it has been in prior years.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:00, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Question - what are pageview stats like? How important are these other articles? How notable are their subjects? Red Slash 23:49, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
    • Support per pageviews Red Slash 04:22, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Answer - Davis the baller, has had 34088 hits in the last 30 compared to the composer 670, and even 5572 for "Beenie Man" but how many of those came from an Anthony Davis search? The cricketer had a whopping 70, I'm sure at one point in time the other figures had more importance, and if at some time in the future the viewers change their interests surly Wikipedia can be changed then to reflect the user interests. 34 thousand hits in thirty days is a LOT more than the other guys. --Kaptinavenger (talk) 17:45, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose - look in Google books, this player is not the absolute majority of all refs, the first page already introduced Pulitzer Prize nominee Anthony Davis (composer), Anthony Davis (boxer), etc. This guy is a basketball player, a game that is barely played in the nation with the largest number of English speakers. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:41, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
just moved this vote to here ;) --Kaptinavenger (talk) 16:08, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
    • Putting aside the ridiculous argument proportioned here (that if a topic is only commonly known to people of a certain culture, it must not be primary topic)... umm, User:In ictu oculi, do you know what the country with the largest number of English speakers is? Hint: its flag is red, white and blue, and it has a lot of stars and some stripes on it. List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population#List Red Slash 04:27, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
How many people speak English in India then? In any case the point about the localism of basketball notability to one sport stands. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:14, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm sure you've been around long enough to know that "America has more English-speakers than all other countries and should therefore take precedence on Wikipedia" isn't a valid argument and just serves to wind up non-Americans! -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:56, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Perhaps the problem here is that English speakers is being used as shorthand for native English speakers, which is not the same thing. English Wikipedia exists for all English speakers. Andrewa (talk) 11:52, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose - there are so many people by this name that a disambiguation page is a good idea. 66.235.50.168 (talk) 06:00, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

G's argument that the basketball player is not the most notable has got to be disingenuous. You have to go through multiple pages of google results before you find anything else--this is not me trying to usurp Wikipedia for American sports fans--believe it or not, I'm not even a basketball fan. I looked up Anthony Davis after hearing him mentioned, and noticed that the title structure did not sync with the notability levels. He is not some no-name NBA player--he's currently ranked as the third best player in the league: [1] Rracecarr (talk) 05:54, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Serious scholarly results, or a crapflood of sports scores? Using Google hits as a measure of long-term importance, in the middle of basketball season...That's why Google is worthless as a source for things like this. Guettarda (talk) 06:08, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Further, calling this move controversial because of failed moves in 2012 when Anthony Davis was in high school doesn't make much sense. It probably wasn't the right thing to do then. Now, he's the 3rd top rated player in the NBA, clearly the most searched for person by the name, and it is no longer controversial. Except in that G is making it so by offering up some silly arguments seemingly for the sake of just making things difficult. Rracecarr (talk) 06:02, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

How not? He's played for two years. He may be good (I don't have a clue) but after two years of play you can't pretend to know how important a person's contribution will be seen over the next 100 years. Guettarda (talk) 06:08, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

He is actually getting fewer page views now than he did in 2012. Pageviews 2012: 1,546,061; 2013: 594,477; 2014: 537,673. If his page move did not make sense in 2012, it does not make sense now.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:56, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Davis the baller, has had 34088 hits in the last 30 compared to the composer 670, and even 5572 for "Beenie Man" but how many of those came from an Anthony Davis search? The cricketer had a whopping 70, I'm sure it can be changed back when the viewers loose interest in the baller. --Kaptinavenger (talk) 07:09, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
The move should have been done two years ago, its clearly a POV issue stemming from some anti-Americanism. We give the world Peanut Butter, Jordan, and Flight. And a cricketer is winning the day? --Kaptinavenger (talk) 06:03, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

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59 point performance as an NBA season high[edit]

DaHuzyBru, I see that you have removed the "The 59 points was an NBA-wide season high" content from the article with this edit. Is this not an important fact?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:15, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Eh, there was just already a lot of statistical info in place. I don't want to cause a fuss, I've put it back in :) DaHuzyBru (talk) 04:22, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

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NOW is he the primary topic?[edit]

It's been two years since the last RM, which was closed as not moved, with some of the !opposes arguing that this Anthony Davis hadn't yet established himself. I think it's safe to say from here on he's no longer a flash in the pan. Here's the page views as far back as they can go (about 5 months after the last RM closed) for every individual listed at Anthony Davis (the cricketer is excluded because the search is limited to 10 items and his page views are minuscule). This Anthony Davis has averaged 2,726 views a day in that span. Note that of the 3 next highest viewed pages, 2 of them aren't even titled "Anthony Davis." The next highest viewed "Anthony Davis" is Anthony Davis (offensive tackle, born 1989) with 139 views, and he recently retired from the NFL so he probably won't be getting any more significant press coverage in the future. The rest are barely worth considering. Lizard (talk) 05:40, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 14 September 2018[edit]

– There have been three previous requested moves between 2012 and March 2015 that have resulted in no movement. However, we are now three and a half years later and talking about a 5-time All-Star who has a better than 50% chance of making the Hall of Fame. The last time this was discussed, he only had 1 All-star selection2 All-star selections to his credit. I believe he is now the primary search term for this name. Here are pageviews:

Anthony Davis is now accounting for 939,017 of the 1,084,773 Anthony Davis pageviews and 939,017 of 1,089,405 if you count Tony Davises.TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:22, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Support as nominator.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:44, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. This seems pretty open-and-shut. Although a fairly common name, the other articles are largely stubby, sparsely viewed, and don't have subjects with long-lasting notability. Nohomersryan (talk) 04:59, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment1 a year and a half ago Lizard the Wizard attempted to gage interest in another nomination hours after his MVP performance in his fourth All-star game, but got no responses above.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:11, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment2 the third discussion was after his 2nd All-star game although his second all-star season was not complete.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:11, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment3 only one of the Tony Davises is actually named Anthony,-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:18, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Support per WP:COMMONNAME. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 15:55, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Rracecarr (talk) 18:23, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Support per nomination. – Sabbatino (talk) 10:03, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Support I can respect any recentism concerns in the past. However, Davis is now a 5× NBA All-Star and has won an Olympic gold medal, and remains the undisputed leader as far as page views for this name.—Bagumba (talk) 08:48, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Per all above. Davis also was the Division I player of the year at Kentucky - very prominent name in all levels of basketball. Rikster2 (talk) 15:21, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Support per cited statistics. It does appear that the basketball player has the most worldwide influence and notability among people named Anthony Davis. Mungo Kitsch (talk) 23:49, 19 September 2018 (UTC)