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The lack of organization which was in the subsection "Anti-Zionism versus antisemitism" is written like some Freshman didn't know how to formulate his own English paper, so he threw all his papers into a soup bowl and poured hot sauce on it, and ate his own homework. If that sounds absurd, it's because that's how crappy the article was organized, before I fixed it. So here's the source. You guys can fix it, because you did such a good job at it, before. :-\ Not really. I'm lying. You people can't write. But here you go, here's the source. You can fix it.

Conflation of the two as a pretext[edit]

The construal of anti-Zionism as intrinsically anti-Semitic is an old one. In 1943, when a British military court in Mandatory Palestine implicated Zionists in arms trafficking, Ben-Gurion criticized the decision by asserting the judgement was influenced by anti-Semitism. According to Christopher Sykes this meant that "henceforth to be anti-Zionist was to be anti-Semitic; to disapprove of Jewish territorial nationalism was to be a Nazi". [1][2] In 1973 Abba Eban stated that "one of the chief tasks of any dialogue with the Gentile world is to prove that the distinction between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism is not a distinction at all.". [3] In 2002, former Minister of Education Shulamit Aloni in a Democracy Now! interview stated that the anti-Semitic accusation was a trick used to curb criticism.[4][5]

Noam Chomsky has cited the Ben-Gurion and Eban precedents to argue that they contain a premise, that Israel's interests are Jewish interests, and thus any defender of Palestinian rights against a rejectionist Greater Israel is made out to be "objectively antisemitic".[6]

In response to a working draft Statement of Principles Against Intolerance at UCLA which contained the claim that 'historic manifestations of anti‐Semitism have changed and that expressions of anti‐Semitism are more coded and difficult to identify', that opposition to Zionism often asserts prejudice and intolerance towards Jews, and that 'anti‐Semitism, anti‐Zionism and other forms of discrimination have no place at the University of California,' Rabbi Brant Rosen, an alumnus of UCLA replied that while some anti-Semites lurk behind the label of anti-Zionism, 'it is incorrect and even disingenuous of the report to make the unsupported claim that anti-Zionism is “often expressed (as) assertions of prejudice and intolerance toward Jewish people and culture,” and blithely conflate anti-Semitism with anti-Zionism as a “form of discrimination”.'[7]

Neturei Karta, anti-Zionist Jewish organization

Rabbi Ahron Cohen, a member of Neturei Karta, states that Zionists feed antisemitism worldwide in order to attract more immigrants to Israel. Neturei Karta, which opposes Zionism and considers it to be in total opposition with Judaism, is a fringe sect of Haredi Judaism.[8][9] Rabbi Cohen admits that this view is currently not widely accepted among Jews, but intends to spread the message to the non-Jewish world in order to remove the "stain" on Judaism and the Jewish people.[10][11]

Tariq Ali, British-Pakistani historian

Tariq Ali, a British-Pakistani historian and political activist, argues that the concept of new antisemitism amounts to an attempt to subvert the language in the interests of the State of Israel. He writes that the campaign against "the supposed new 'anti-semitism'" in modern Europe is a "cynical ploy on the part of the Israeli Government to seal off the Zionist state from any criticism of its regular and consistent brutality against the Palestinians ... Criticism of Israel can not and should not be equated with anti-semitism." He argues that most pro-Palestinian, anti-Zionist groups that emerged after the Six-Day War were careful to observe the distinction between anti-Zionism and antisemitism.[12][13] Others go the other way and claim "anti-Zionism" has become a requisite proof of progressive conviction today, and is similar to Jews converting to Christianity a century ago.[14]

Norman Finkelstein

According to Norman Finkelstein: "Every time Israel comes under international pressure, as it did recently because of the war crimes committed in Lebanon, it steps up the claim of anti-Semitism, and all of Israel's critics are anti-Semitic."[15]

Finkelstein argues that anti-Zionism and often just criticism of Israeli policies have been conflated with antisemitism, sometimes called new antisemitism for political gain: "Whenever Israel faces a public relations débâcle such as the Intifada or international pressure to resolve the Israel-Palestine conflict, American Jewish organizations orchestrate this extravaganza called the 'new anti-Semitism.' The purpose is several-fold. First, it is to discredit any charges by claiming the person is an anti-Semite. It's to turn Jews into the victims, so that the victims are not the Palestinians any longer. As people like Abraham Foxman of the ADL put it, the Jews are being threatened by a new holocaust. It's a role reversal — the Jews are now the victims, not the Palestinians. So it serves the function of discrediting the people leveling the charge. It's no longer Israel that needs to leave the Occupied Territories; it's the Arabs who need to free themselves of the anti-Semitism."[16][17]

  1. anti-Zionism is antisemitic in its essence and in most, if not all, of its manifestations;[18]
  2. anti-Zionism and antisemitism are both analytically and historically distinct, but the two ideologies have merged since 1948;[19]
  3. anti-Zionism and antisemitism remain distinct, but anti-Zionism occasionally crosses the line into "outright anti-Semitism,"[20] while antisemitism often pollutes anti-Zionist discourse;[21]:18 and/or
  4. anti-Zionism is analytically distinct from antisemitism, but much apparent criticism of Israel or Zionism is in fact a thinly veiled expression of antisemitism.[22]

Brian Klug

Brian Klug argues that equating anti-Zionism to antisemitism poisoned the debate regarding Israel and their policies, stating,

"We should unite in rejecting racism in all its forms: the Islamophobia that demonises Muslims, as well as the anti-semitic discourse that can infect anti-Zionism and poison the political debate. However, people of goodwill can disagree politically - even to the extent of arguing over Israel's future as a Jewish state. Equating anti-Zionism with anti-semitism can also, in its own way, poison the political debate."[23]

On January 15, 2004, Klug wrote:

Nonetheless, the inference is invalid. To argue that hostility to Israel and hostility to Jews are one and the same thing is to conflate the Jewish state with the Jewish people. In fact, Israel is one thing, Jewry another. Accordingly, anti-Zionism is one thing, anti-Semitism another. They are separate. To say they are separate is not to say that they are never connected. But they are independent variables that can be connected in different ways.[13]

Further discussion

In the early 21st century, it was also claimed that a "new antisemitism" had emerged which was rooted in anti-Zionism.[24][25][26][27][28][29][30] Advocates of this concept argue that much of what purports to be criticism of Israel and Zionism is demonization, and has led to an international resurgence of attacks on Jews and Jewish symbols and an increased acceptance of antisemitic beliefs in public discourse.[31] Critics of the concept as Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, Michael Marder, and Tariq Ali have suggested that the characterization of anti-Zionism as antisemitic is inaccurate, sometimes obscures legitimate criticism of Israel's policies and actions and trivializes antisemitism.

Not necessarily mutually exclusive[edit]

David Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom

According to David Cameron, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, "there has been an insidious, creeping attempt to delegitimize the state of Israel, which spills over often into anti-Semitism."[32]

Joschka Fischer, German Foreign Minister

In July 2001, the Simon Wiesenthal Center reported that during a visit there, German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer stated that "anti-Zionism inevitably leads to antisemitism." [33] In 2015, the Center observed in a newsletter introducing its report on North American campus life, that 'virulent anti-Zionism is often a thinly-veiled disguise for virulent anti-Semitism'.[34]

Interlinked[edit]

Robert S. Wistrich, Israeli professor

Professor Robert S. Wistrich, head of the Vidal Sassoon International Center for the Study of Antisemitism at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, is the originator of Marcus's second view of anti-Zionism (that anti-Zionism and antisemitism merged post-1948) argues that much contemporary anti-Zionism, particularly forms that compare Zionism and Jews with Hitler and the Third Reich, has become a form of antisemitism:

Anti-Zionism has become the most dangerous and effective form of anti-Semitism in our time, through its systematic delegitimization, defamation, and demonization of Israel. Although not a priori anti-Semitic, the calls to dismantle the Jewish state, whether they come from Muslims, the Left, or the radical Right, increasingly rely on an anti-Semitic stereotypization of classic themes, such as the manipulative "Jewish lobby," the Jewish/Zionist "world conspiracy," and Jewish/Israeli "warmongers."[35]

Ben-Dror Yemini, Israeli journalist

Israeli journalist Ben-Dror Yemini maintains that anti-Zionism is "politically correct antisemitism" and argues that the same way Jews were demonized, Israel is demonized, the same way the right of Jews to exist was denied, the right for Self-determination is denied from Israel, the same way Jews were presented as a menace to the world, Israel is presented as a menace to the world.[36]

Germany

In the 2015, a German court in Essen ruled that anti-Zionism and antisemitism were equivalent. "'Zionist’ in the language of anti-Semites is a code for Jew," Judge Gauri Sastry said in a groundbreaking legal decision. Taylan Can, a German citizen of Turkish origin, yelled "death and hate to Zionists" at an anti-Israel rally in Essen in July 2014, and was convicted for hate crime.[37] In contrast, in February 2015, a court in Wuppertal convicted two German Palestinians of an arson attack on a synagogue, but denied that the crime was motivated by antisemitism.[38]

Dina Porat, head of ISAR

Dina Porat (head of the Institute for Study of Antisemitism and Racism at Tel-Aviv University) contends that anti-Zionism is antisemitic because it is discriminatory:

...antisemitism is involved when the belief is articulated that of all the peoples on the globe (including the Palestinians), only the Jews should not have the right to self-determination in a land of their own. Or, to quote noted human rights lawyer David Matas: One form of antisemitism denies access of Jews to goods and services because they are Jewish. Another form of antisemitism denies the right of the Jewish people to exist as a people because they are Jewish. Antizionists distinguish between the two, claiming the first is antisemitism, but the second is not. To the antizionist, the Jew can exist as an individual as long as Jews do not exist as a people.[39]

  1. ^ Christopher Sykes, Crossroads to Israel, Indiana University Press, 1973 p.247.
  2. ^ Adel Safty, Might Over Right: How the Zionists Took Over Palestine , Garnet Publishing, 2009 p.132.
  3. ^ Noam Chomsky, The Essential Chomsky, Random House, 2010 P.205.
  4. ^ Peter Slezak, 'Denouncing Israeli Violence is Not Anti-Semitism: Reply to Alex Ryvchin,' ABC News 7 January 2016.
  5. ^ 'Listen/Watch,'((51:12)) Democracy Now!{14 August 2002: "Well it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel then we bring up the holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel then they are anti-Semitic… And it's very easy to blame people who criticize certain acts of the Israeli government as anti-Semitic and to bring up the holocaust and the suffering of the Jewish people and that– that is justify everything we do to the Palestinians."
  6. ^ Noam Chomsky, The Fateful Triangle, (1983) South End Press 1999 p.16.
  7. ^ Rabbi Brant Rosen 'Anti-Zionism Isn't a 'Form of Discrimination,' and It's Not anti-Semitism Haaretz 19 March 2016.
  8. ^ Neturei Karta
  9. ^ Neturei Karta: What is it?
  10. ^ Milan Svanderlik and Rabbi Ahron Leib Cohen. "Outsiders in London: Image # 24 – Rabbi Ahron Leib Cohen". Retrieved 19 November 2014. 
  11. ^ Rabbi Ahron Cohen, Anti-Zionism is not Anti-Semitism
  12. ^ Ali, Tariq. "Notes on Anti-Semitism, Zionism and Palestine", Counterpunch, 4 March 2004, first published in il manifesto, 26 February 2004.
  13. ^ a b Klug, Brian. The Myth of the New Anti-Semitism. The Nation, posted 15 January 2004 (2 February 2004 issue), accessed 9 January 2006; and Lerner, Michael. There Is No New Anti-Semitism, posted 5 February 2007, accessed 6 February 2007.
  14. ^ Andrei S. Markovits, "Uncouth Nation," Princeton University Press 2007, pp. xiii–xiv.
  15. ^ Finkelstein, Norman (30 August 2006). "Congressmember Weiner Gets It Wrong On Palestinian Group He Tried To Bar From U.S.". Democracy Now!. Retrieved 16 April 2015. Every time Israel comes under international pressure, as it did recently because of the war crimes committed in Lebanon, it steps up the claim of anti-Semitism, and all of Israel's critics are anti-Semitic. 1974, the ADL, the Anti-Defamation League, puts out a book called The New Anti-Semitism. 1981, the Anti-Defamation League puts out a book, The New Anti-Semitism. And then, again in 2000, Abraham Foxman and people like Phyllis Chesler, they put out these books called The New Anti-Semitism. So the use of the charge "anti-Semitism" is pretty conventional whenever Israel comes under attack, and frankly it has no content whatsoever nowadays. 
  16. ^ Antony Loewenstein, My Israel Question, Melbourne University Press 2007 p.144.
  17. ^ Norman Finkelstein, with Sherri Muzher,'Beyond Chutzpah,' Znet November 02, 2005
  18. ^ Coder, Irwin (16 Feb 2004). "Human Rights and the New Anti-Jewishness". FrontPage Mag. 
  19. ^ Wistrich, Robert S. (Fall 2004). "Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism". Jewish Political Studies Review. 16 (3–4). Retrieved 26 February 2007. 
  20. ^ Lipstadt, Deborah E. (2005). "Strategic Responses to Anti-Israelism and Anti-Semitism". In Deborah E. Lipstadt; et al. American Jewry and the college campus: best of times or worst of times?. AJC. pp. 5, 23 
  21. ^ All-party parliamentary group against antisemitism (2006). "Report of the all-party parliamentary inquiry into antisemitism" (PDF). Parliamentary Committee Against Antisemitism Foundation (PCAAF) :

    "Anti-Zionist discourse that has become polluted by antisemitic themes or content is also difficult to identify because it is often based on at least partial truths which have become inflated or exaggerated to the point that they are held to be typical of all Jews or demonstrative of an antisemitic Jewish stereotype. [...] An example of this would be remarks about the Israel lobby. [...] [I]n some quarters this becomes inflated to the point where discourse about the 'lobby' resembles discourse about a world Jewish conspiracy."

  22. ^ United States Commission on Civil Rights (2006). "Findings and recommendations of the United States Commission on Civil Rights regarding campus anti-Semitism" (PDF). United States Government.  On p. 1: "Anti-Semitic bigotry is no less morally deplorable when camouflaged as anti-Israelism or anti-Zionism."
  23. ^ Klug, Brian (02 December 2003). "No, anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism".  Check date values in: |date= (help)
  24. ^ MacShane, Denis (25 Sep 2008). Globalising Hatred: The New Antisemitism. London: Weidenfeld & Nicolson. ISBN 9780297844730. 
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  29. ^ "Working Definition of Antisemitism" (PDF). EUMC. 2005. Retrieved 10 May 2010. "Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish and non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities." In addition, such manifestations could also target the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. [...] However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. 
  30. ^ [1] The Washington Post, 4 September 2007, Denis MacShane, The New Anti-Semitism
  31. ^ Taguieff, Pierre-André. Rising From the Muck: The New Anti-Semitism in Europe. Ivan R. Dee, 2004.
  32. ^ Goldberg, Jeffrey (April 2015). "Is It Time for the Jews to Leave Europe?". The Atlantic. Retrieved 16 March 2015. 
  33. ^ "accessed Nov 2008". Wiesenthal.com. 17 July 2001. Retrieved 17 May 2012. 
  34. ^ "Anti-Semitism on Campus: A Clear and Present Danger". Wiesenthal.com. 12 June 2015. Retrieved 13 June 2015. 
  35. ^ Wistrich, Robert S. (Fall 2004). "Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism". Jewish Political Studies Review. 16 (3–4). Retrieved 26 February 2007. 
    Nevertheless, I believe that the more radical forms of anti-Zionism that have emerged with renewed force in recent years do display unmistakable analogies to European anti-Semitism immediately preceding the Holocaust....For example, "anti-Zionists" who insist on comparing Zionism and the Jews with Hitler and the Third Reich appear unmistakably to be de facto anti-Semites, even if they vehemently deny the fact! This is largely because they knowingly exploit the reality that Nazism in the postwar world has become the defining metaphor of absolute evil. For if Zionists are "Nazis" and if Sharon really is Hitler, then it becomes a moral obligation to wage war against Israel. That is the bottom line of much contemporary anti-Zionism. In practice, this has become the most potent form of contemporary anti-Semitism....Anti-Zionism is not only the historic heir of earlier forms of anti-Semitism. Today, it is also the lowest common denominator and the bridge between the Left, the Right, and the militant Muslims; between the elites (including the media) and the masses; between the churches and the mosques; between an increasingly anti-American Europe and an endemically anti-Western Arab-Muslim Middle East; a point of convergence between conservatives and radicals and a connecting link between fathers and sons.
  36. ^ Ben-Dror Yemini, בן-דרור, תרגיע, nrg Maariv, 28.4.2010.
  37. ^ "German judge convicts man for shouting 'Death to Zionists' at march". The Jerusalem Post - JPost.com. Retrieved 23 April 2015. 
  38. ^ German Judge: Torching of Synagogue not motivated by anti-Semitism, Jerusalem Post, (7 February 2012)
  39. ^ Dina Porat, Defining Anti-Semitism, Retrieved 15 November 2008 See also Emanuele Ottolenghi http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/29/comment

Third Position, Fascist, and Right-Wing[edit]

These sources of anti-Zionism may be disreputable, but they are significant and influential. The citations documenting their position are solid, the material is encyclopaedic and belongs here. I have reverted the deletion of well sourced material. Cpsoper (talk) 11:46, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2016[edit]

I asked Google the question: Is Anti-Zionism Anti-Semitic? The Wiki quote came up first in the list in bold type:

'To argue that hostility to Israel and hostility to Jews are one and the same thing is to conflate the Jewish state with the Jewish people. In fact, Israel is one thing, Jewry another. Accordingly, anti-Zionism is one thing, anti-Semitism another. They are separate.'

The Anti-Zionism page however shows various views from well known speakers on whether or not Anti Zionism can be equated with Anti-Semitism. Some are for and some are against. The headline view quoted above in the google search quotes is a one sided position stating Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism are always separate. However, it is known and accepted that A-S and A-Z are not always separate when the issues are understood. Please can you therefore show in the headline google search quote that there are two positions in disagreement on this matter. - The other view being:

A call to remove the State of Israel(the definition of Anti- Zionism)is against an Israel that was founded for specific Jewish purpose- (to protect and nurture an identified people) therefore the call is Anti-Semitic. Being against a Jewish presence on neighbouring land for purely that reason is Anti-Semitic. Israel is defined by its Jewish identity.


As a people, the Jews have a right to self determination, denying them the right is Anti-Semitic when viewing Israel's purpose as a protector and sanctuary (from the recorded international history of scape-goating Jews- an integral part of anti-Semitism itself).

The Jewish religion carries the bible which focuses on a homeland story in Israel- an embedded ancient connection over 2000 years where there has always been a Jewish presence. 'A people'- in terms of history, culture, language and original providence- All these definitions fit the Jews as a people- to deny this identity and to call to take away the Jewish homeland is therefore an Anti- Semitic act- that which thrives on ignorance regarding Jewish identity.

The majority of Jews (especially those in Israel) would consider -the taking away of their right to self determination as against them regardless of whether or not all Jews themselves agree.

If there had never been a Jewish people, there would be no Zionism (a movement for a homeland for the Jewish people) and therefore no State of Israel. Being against actions of the Israeli Government is not necessarily Anti Zionism or Anti Semitic. Not all Zionists are Jews and some Anti- Zionists are Jews.

Palestinian Arabs identify themselves as Arabs who lay claim to this same land. The International decisions that paved the way for a homeland for the Jews were made after much Jewish suffering due to Anti Semitism itself and the upheaval of the 2 world wars. Many peoples were displaced in the Middle East due to various Imperial rule. Palestinian Arabs rejected the UN Partition plan in 1948. There have been numerous attempts since that time to destroy Israel by Palestinians with their neighbours. Jordan is a majority Palestinian country. Removing Israel means that the Jewish people are without a homeland- such a move is therefore Anti- Semitic.


Martin Usiskin (talk) 17:40, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Allow me to illustrate by amending your initial quote:

"'To argue that hostility to Palestine and hostility to Muslims are one and the same thing is to conflate the Palestinian state with the Islamic people. In fact, Palestine is one thing, Islam another. Accordingly, anti-Palestinian bigotry is one thing, Islamophobia another. They are separate"

This is a statement of fact. As is the initial quote you raised. Sure, many anti-Palestinian bigots are also Islamophobes. You might even know some people that qualify for both labels. But they are separate. It is a simple Venn diagram. Anti-Zionism is much more nuanced than your blinkered analysis above suggests, and most interpretations of it lie far outside Anti-Semitism.

As an aside, the "other view" you provided, with your summary of the conflict, is factually incorrect or lacking crucial context in almost every sentence. It is regurgitated propaganda, with no consideration for balance or facts. I recommend you reflect on where you got that information from, and if you are truly passionate about this topic, spend the time to learn about this topic more broadly. Otherwise you will go through life with hatred in your heart driven solely by your own ignorance.

Oncenawhile (talk) 18:28, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:53, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
In any case, this is Wikipedia, not Google. We are not responsible for Google's algorithms or editorial practices, and cannot determine what they select and highlight from a Wikipedia article. If you have a complaint about what appears on a Google search you should write to Google, not to Wikipedia. RolandR (talk) 22:26, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

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