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Any thoughts about adding a short section/paragraph on deprogramming in this article? Zambelo; talk 23:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

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The first 2 sources I checked had nothing to do with anti-psychiatry. I deleted those and I'll be working on checking the rest as well. Based on a quick skim, I'm worried this article might need some heavy editing. Let me know if anyone wants to share the load. I'll post a notice on WP:PSYCHOLOGY too. Also, if anyone knows of any RS on this topic that isn't already cited, please do share a link or the citation. I have access to the full text of most journals through work. Permstrump (talk) 02:07, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

The lack of cohesiveness makes this article really difficult to follow. I didn't know much of anything about antipsychiatry yesterday when I first read the lede, but the blatant character attacks and POV pushing from different perspectives were red huge flags. That's what prompted me to start checking the sources and so far, the first 6 I've checked didn't mention antipsychiatry or support the statements attributed to them.
Below are the lists I started to keep track of which sources are relevant, but I'm thinking it might more sense to start this article from scratch instead of actually going through all of them since there are 127 sources in the reference list. I'm posting a request for help in all of the related WikiProjects. I stopped deleting NRS for now while I wait for feedback, but I might restart, because I'm procrastinating what I really need to be doing at work. :) Permstrump (talk) 19:00, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
I don't think starting from scratch should be done( some of the references are useful)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:03, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Current sources[edit]

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Reliable sources on antipsychiatry[edit]

Potential references to keep/add

Three cheers to the clean up effort! Dkriegls (talk to me!) 05:40, 19 April 2016 (UTC)


I mean Robert Whitaker.

It’s a long time since I edited this article last time. In YouTube I've just watched “Myths and Facts About Antidepressants / Robert Whitaker and Stefan Molyneux”. Perhaps it merits a place in the External Links section, say, instead of the article in Spanish that belongs to the Spanish wiki.

But why is Wikipedia's software blocking the above YouTube interview of Whitaker? —Cesar Tort 23:56, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Fork article[edit]

This article and Controversy surrounding psychiatry have a lot in common. I don't propose merging them but rather separating what is strictly "anti-psychiatry" (a term of the 1960s and early 70s) and the broader criticism of psychiatry. Otherwise the information is duplicated.

I just left an identical message in the talk page of "Controversy surrounding psychiatry".

--Cesar Tort 17:01, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

There are many reliable sources which describe "anti-psychiatry" as an "umbrella term", covering many sub-topics. Some sources also discuss the origins of anti-psychiatry from the 1940s, even though the term itself was not coined until the 1960s. User:FiachraByrne is one WP editor who has contributed much on this historical background, and it would be good to get her input here. Johnfos (talk) 22:14, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
It's still a fork. There ought not to be two distinct articles describing the same topic.
--Cesar Tort 22:28, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

There have been five parallel critiques of psychiatry: Thomas Szasz’s conceptual and logical critique of the mental illness idea; the critique of social control through psychiatry (some of this by anti-psychiatrist David Cooper), Peter Breggin’s medical evaluation of the assaults on the brain with drugs, electroshock and lobotomy, the cry of those who have been harmed by it and examining the scientific basis of biological psychiatry.

Exponents of this late strategy, like those academics and MDs that publish in Ethical Human Psychology and Psychiatry have focused on the various bio-reductionist claims and logical fallacies in psychiatry; on the dubious science behind psychopharmacology (Elliot Valenstein), and on statistical analyses that show that poor countries with few psychiatric drugs called neuroleptics (“antipsychotics”) fare much better in the treatment of people in psychotic crisis than the rich countries (Robert Whitaker, whose wiki article I linked above). More recently Whitaker has published more influential books on other psychiatric subjects, taking psychiatry to task on its very theoretical base.

Problem is: with the exception of the old critics like Ronald Laing and Cooper, most of these contemporary critics find terrible the term "Anti-psychiatry”. This does *not* mean that we ought to move this page, only to take note that critics dislike the term. (See e.g., what Colin A. Ross says in the YouTube interview "Psychiatrist admits Psychiatry is Not Based in Science Colin Ross What is Anti Psychiatry").

(Wikipedia does not allow me to insert a YouTube link; that's why I'm pasting the YT title.)

--Cesar Tort 23:05, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

You're asking us to accept YouTube as a reliable source? Goodness me. Anti-psychiatry is a term which appears in many psych handbooks and encyclopedias. I notice that Cooper's book Psychiatry and anti-psychiatry has been reissued in 2013. In the past few years, Paul J Taylor (University of Chester) has written several pieces on anti-psychiatry. These are more the type of source we need to be referencing here. Anti-psychiatry is a notable term, with origins in the 1940s and 1950's, and we need a comprehensive article WP article on it. This article is fulfilling that purpose. -- Johnfos (talk) 14:28, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Don't misrepresent what I said. Robert Whitaker's work has been fairly influential. I pointed out to his YouTube conferences just as a starting point to become familiar with Whitaker's books, not as a source (YT) to be inserted in the article.
And second, I never suggested moving this page or merging it, only pointed out that the content is forked and that we need to separate "Anti-psychiatry" (basically a 1960s and 70s intellectual movement) from the current critical views of psychiatry.
Cesar Tort 17:58, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
Instead of being concerned about being misunderstood, please listen to what is being said to you. I'll say again that anti-psychiatry is not just a 1960s and 1970s phenomenom. There is a lot of relevant history before that. And there is still a lot of interest in anti-psych even today, as the recent references provided previously show. I really think this article hangs together quite well, and am not in favour of making major changes to it. -- Johnfos (talk) 22:21, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
I've answered here. Cesar Tort 01:01, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
I agree that it's a fork and a problem. There's the well-known movement: antipsychiatry, and there are people who are against (anti) psychiatry and they are two entirely different topics which isn't clearly articulated in either this article or Controversy surrounding psychiatry. IIRC there's a 3rd article that addresses the antipsychiatry movement of the 60s with some title that isn't obvious. I will post it if I think of it. I've been thinking that one should be moved to "Antipsychiatry" and I think merging this one with the controversies article makes sense. For now, I'm posting about this at WP:FTN for more input. PermStrump(talk) 05:29, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
You might have been referring to Biopsychiatry controversy?
IMHO the main article should be Controversy surrounding psychiatry and the others, if well articulated, deserve separate articles. I'd leave this page separate as Antipsychiatry was well known, as a term, when I was much younger. But again, contemporary critics of psychiatry reject the label. Even Thomas Szasz rejected it after publishing his most influential book in the 1960s (see my 23:05, 5 June 2016 comment in this thread).
--Cesar Tort 14:17, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Cesar Tort: That might be it. I remembered seeing something about antipsychiatry on the talkpage of another article and I might have been thinking of Talk:Biopsychiatry controversy#Not all Antipsychiatry is Scientology. I think they probably could be 3 separate articles, but right now it seems like they are redundant. Are we on the same page? This fell off my radar for a few days and now I'm a little mixed up. I think we're at least on the same page that something isn't working and needs to be improved? :-P I will have more time to dedicate next week. PermStrump(talk) 22:08, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

The Scientology critique of psychiatry really needs a separate article, as no single serious critic of psychiatry uses Scientology sources—a “critique” based on a space religion rather than science.

The main article should be Controversy surrounding psychiatry, and Anti-Psychiatry a sort of branch of the main article.

--Cesar Tort 02:27, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

I could get behind that. Makes sense to me. PermStrump(talk) 03:02, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Unfortunately I cannot do it, only pointed out the problem (forked article). Hope others do the job. - Cesar Tort 16:03, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
It's been on my to-do list since I posted Talk:Anti-psychiatry#Sources in Feb. :) PermStrump(talk) 17:40, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
If there's consensus in this talk page, I'd recommend to proceed as pointed out above: Anti-psychiatry as a branch of a broader criticism of the profession. --Cesar Tort 01:08, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

I'd like a bit more time please to explore the options, and will then get back to you here. Thanks. Johnfos (talk) 05:07, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Considering how long I've been meaning to start taking a serious stab at this article, but haven't done anything yet, there's no rush as far as I'm concerned. PermStrump(talk) 05:15, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
The categorization structure at Category: Psychiatry controversies implies to me that Controversy surrounding psychiatry is the main article, as discussed here, and Anti-psychiatry and Scientology and psychiatry (also mentioned above) are important sub-articles. And I think we should just work along these lines, editing in the usual way. I have found the fork/branch discussion earlier in this section to be an unnecessary distraction. Johnfos (talk) 23:08, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

I edited it a while ago, but it was removed--"Anti-psychiatry is the view that psychiatric treatments are often or are always more damaging than helpful to patients" Guess somebody thinks 'anti psychiatrists' can't hold the view that psychiatry is always harmful. It's a dubious edit by somebody high and mighty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:00, 1 September 2016 (UTC)