Talk:Antonio Rukavina

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Antonio Rukavina is an ethnic Croat[edit]

Antonio is a croat born into a catholic bunjevac family of Zemun, Istocni Srijem. Antonio never said he is serb. he said he is serbian, which means that he is by nationality serbian. He is full croat, and not partially croat. why do you think their parents gave him the firstname antonio?... only croats give this name to their children. Antonio Rukavina is a croat. deal with it.

Stop saying that he is of Croatian origin[edit]

Antonio said for newspaper "Kurir" that he is Serbian, and the only thing he has in common with Croatia is that his father's grandmother (Rukavina's great grandmother) is of Croat origin. So that would make him 1/8 Croatian, and 7/8 Serbian. You can read it yourself, so enough with this topic.

Moderators should lock this topic if someone continues to mislead everyone else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 03:20, 26 August 2008

OK. No need to make any fuss. 1/8 still makes him a person with Croat origins, beside other (Serb) origins. (1-1/8 is not 100% :))) ). Because of those 1/8 and Croat surname, he had a possibility to play for Croatia (just as Greece and Italy do when they discover an interesting player with their origins). He chose not to - and that's it. Kamarad Walter (talk) 08:17, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

First of all, this is not about an article how Croatian Football Federation offering him to play for Croatia, I get why they would offer him that (Not cuz he's Croatian, but because they thought he's Croatian because of his last name). Allot of Serbs have Croat, or Muslim in one of there ancestors. Also same thing for Croats with Serbian ancestors, because mixed marriages were common in Yugoslavia during 20th century. It is stupid to point that someone is Croat just cuz his GREAT grandmother was from Croatia. Dejan Bodiroga's grandmother is Croatian (sister of Drazen Petrovic's grandfather), is now he a Croat? Of course not. It's stupid to point that. The only reason why people saying Rukavina is Croatian is because of his name, and because it sounds Croatian (and it does). But just cuz his name sounds Croatian, doesn't mean that it should be pointed that his GREAT GRAND MOTHER is Croatian (I mean JESUS!). Sinisa Mihajlovic mother is Croatian! But it's stupid to say that he is part Croatian if he considers himself as Serbian, and that's the end of that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:54, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

And also stop erasing part where it explains that he is Serbian. People are interested in that part of an article because there are a lot of speculations. That part has source, has Rukavina's quote what he said, so stop erasing it. Just cuz you're not comfortable him being a Serb, doesn't mean you should erase that part. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:06, 28 August 2008

OK, no problem. I don't see any reason for any anger.
1) I haven't erased any of your entries, I've only merged text, in order to avoid having two almost same paragraphs (as we had before my edit and after your recent edit). I've just wanted to save space and improve the style of article. If you want double paragraphs, so it looks as if it was written by a 7-year kid, OK, let it be your way, I don't want to argue.
2) What shall we do with this? You edited the line "Because of his Croatian surname" to "Because of his Croatian name". "Antonio" is not a Croatian name, it's Italian. Rukavina has Croat surname.
3) Offer of Croatian Football Federation to Rukavina - that's interesting information about the player, we should put this into article. Article is not just a bunch of statistics or stories where player spends his vacations, about his girlfriends and favourite movies.
Contacts from the sides of other national teams are the things that is known to history of football. E.g., remember how many famous Argentine footballers later played for Italy? Remember Guaita, Orsi, or today Vieri, Biloš, Hrgović, Šerić, Šimunić, Rakitić, Cvitanić. Or, if you want it this way, same lines about Bojan Krkić (do you find him as Spaniard?) or Miodrag Belodedić.
4) Rukavina is not Croatian, he's Serbian. But he's partially Croat (1/8, as you say). The best description is: "of Croat descent". I don't deny that he's 7/8 Serb.
5) "Just cuz you're not comfortable him being a Serb, doesn't mean you should erase it." What are you talking about? Why do you see things negatively? Please, assume good intention.
6) At last, I'm of multiple ancestries. Do you think that I don't know what I'm talking about?
7) Please, compare my edit with your, look at the differences [1]. You'll see that there weren't any problems, your text was in the section References. Please, read the compared edits, don't just click "undo" without looking. Kamarad Walter (talk) 09:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Anyway, why are you erasing section "Croatian or Serbian?"? I think that section is important, because allot of people thinks he's Croatian. And article about him wearing st. sava shirt underneath his Serbia jersey is totally unnecessary. Someone just wrote that without any reference what so ever. And that statement just came out of nowhere. Part where it explains why is he Serbian is very important, because I guarantee you people will come on wikipedia to look for that information. And my article, with his quote and a source was much better then "st. sava shirt underneath his jersey". I don't see why is that article a problem? And it's not the same with article him rejecting Croatian Football Federation, cuz he might just choose to play for Serbia, "even though he's Croatian" if you know what I mean. So part where it explains that he is Serbian is important, and like I said, I guarantee you pople are searching this article to find out is he Croat or Serbian, not just is he playing for Serbia or Croatia. That's not the same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:30, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

It's funny: he says that he's Serb 100% (1 minus 1/8 ... :)). His words "What can I do about my last name? So many people, so many Croats and Serbs with the same last name. I know my fathers grandmother is from Croatia, and that's my only thing in common with Croats. My father and mother are from Serbia, and once again, my decision is to play for Serbia." Is he afraid or ashamed to say that his grandgrandmother is Croat? I'd like to know which Serbs have surname Rukavina, from which village. That's quite new to me.
As far as I know, Rukavina's are Croats from Bunjevci group (but this surname is mostly in Croatia). Here's more [2], [3], [4] .Kamarad Walter (talk) 07:23, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

This is not about some theories "who are Rukavinas". There are a lot of different people with different names. There is no RULE if your last name is "RUKAVINA" you HAVE to be Croat, Bunejvac, or Serb. You are actually giving us LINK about "Rukavina" so that he HAS to be Croat (or Bunjevac), even though he said HIMSELF that he's Serbian. He is only 1/8th Croatian, and that is NOT worth mentioning. Sinisa Mihajlovic's mother is Croatian. Is he a Croat now? NO! Dejan Bodiroga grandmother is Croatian, is he now of Croatian origin? NO! Because they declare them self’s as SERBS (not as Croats who live in Serbia, or Croats who wants to play for Serbians nationals team, but declare them self’s as being SERBS! So stop with this nonsense, man said himself that he is Serbian, we have his quote, and that's the end of that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:56, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

"man said himself that he is Serbian". And I thought that he said that he's Serb :)))))
He declare himself as Serb, I agree with that. No problem. If he says tomorrow that he's Roma, Magyar or Chinese, I'll always respect what he feels.
I'm glad that we agreed. Bye, Kamarad Walter (talk) 09:26, 26 September 2008 (UTC)