Talk:Anund Gårdske

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"of Gårdarike"?[edit]

Since when does there in the English language exist a geographical name "Gårdarike"? And why is "Gårdske" used here as if it were his non-translatable surname, when it for all intents and purposes just means "of Kievan Russia"? I'll be moving this soon if no one objects. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 01:21, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Maybe because no one has ever called him "Anund of Kievan Russia", and you're not supposed to make up translations of your own?
Andejons (talk) 07:13, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Fine, but "of Gårdarike" is no more of a name in English than "of Sverige" or "of Spaxkya" (a village in Borlänge) would be. "Gårdarike" is a totally unknown word in English literature. Using it, we're making up a name of our own, whether or not it's a translation, and a name that is practically hopeless in English, phonetically. Only Swedes would have the faintest idea how to pronounce it when reading aloud. Can you think of a better solution? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:17, 23 June 2013 (UTC)


From Wikipedia:Naming#Foreign names and anglicization:
"If there are too few reliable English-language sources to constitute an established usage, follow the conventions of the language appropriate to the subject (German for German politicians, Portuguese for Brazilian towns, and so on). For ideas on how to deal with situations where there are several competing foreign terms, see "Multiple local names" and "Use modern names" in the geographical naming guideline."
So, if the current name is not to your taste, show that there are English sources that use another. Otherwise, the page is fine where it is.
However, I do agree that "of Gårdarike" does not seem to be an established name, and have removed it.
Andejons (talk) 14:16, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! I don't consider "Gårdske" a name. Do you? And I always thought it was an Åke Ohlmarks and/or Herman Lindqvist (journalist) invention. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:46, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
You are right that "Gårdske" is a modern appellation; who invented it, I have no idea. However, it is used by Historiska museet [1], so it is not an unreasonable name. The only workable alternatives I see is to use Adam of Bremen's "Amunder a Ruzia", which is much worse, or to name the article something like "Anund (c. 1070)", which is a bit cumbersome but acceptable.
Andejons (talk) 19:41, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
I find "Gardske" more cumbersome because practically no one will know how to pronounce it in English. If we basically agree on Anund (c. 1070), can you do the move? Or how about "Anund of Gardariki" which is pronounceable? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:04, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
"Anund of Gardariki" is an invented name and therefore would be a bad (if not entirely unacceptable) choice. Anund (1070 king) (or something to that effect) would make a better disambiguation than Anund (c. 1070). In three different books (+ one without preview), he is referred to as Anund from Russia. Perhaps that would make a good title. The article has a more serious problem than phonetics, however. Few years ago I noticed the discrepancy between the text and the succession box. The claim that he was deposed in 1070 is sourced, but both the box and the list of Swedish rulers claim that 1070 was actually the year he started his 5-year-long reign. Which is it? Surtsicna (talk) 00:47, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I do not know where the five years come from, but I do not think it has a basis in Adam of Bremen. It could be that someone wrote that he reigned at some time during that period, and that it was misinterpreted. Neither Nordisk familjebok nor Nationalencyklopedin gives any years for his reign.
Andejons (talk) 18:46, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment[edit]

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The article comprises two bare paragraphs and two references, yet as a King of Sweden, he is at least of Mid importance. ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 18:58, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Last edited at 18:58, 20 September 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 08:04, 29 April 2016 (UTC)