Talk:Anything Goes (Cole Porter song)
|This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Anything Goes (Cole Porter song) article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.
|This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:|
User Mllefifi wrote: they are still copyrighted in the United States, and the quotation of them in this context does not constitute "fair use." and deleted the text of the lyrics, which had been printed in their entirety. I have restored the text with the following fair use rationale:
1) The lyrics are presented here in a non-commercial way, for informational purposes;
2) Their presence does not lessen the commercial value of the text. I do not think consumers of music will be less inclined to buy the song or rights to sing it because they know can read the entire lyrics here.
a) the value may be increased in that various references, obscure to contemporary audiences, are here hyperlinked for the purpose of explanation.
3) While the portion reproduced is 100%, this is not an acid test re: fair use. We're not passing the lyrics off as someone else's, and the lyrics are in total quite short, unlike a while book or even article.
4) Quoting the entire lyric is needed since the point of the article is to examine the lyric, and explain the references, which occur all throughout the lyric.
5) Using the whole lyric rather than just putting the reference words in list order is desirable because the references are most well understood with the context that the whole lyric affords.
- The points concerning fair use are not convincing; in particular, what "informational purpose" can there be in presenting the entire lyric, without any purpose to it except to insert links? It's not like providing a low-resolution image, for instance. The following claim is not substantiated by the current version of the article: "the point of the article is to examine the lyric." Links embedded in the words of the lyrics do not constitute examination. The effect is no better than "putting the reference words in list order." Who wants to click through a series of links, some of which aren't even related to the topicality of the song? If someone has actually examined these lyrics in a study, it would make sense to refer to that study. As it is, there is no "critique and examination" of the lyrics in this article at all. The restoration of the lyrics, let alone in full, is not justified. If Wikipedia receives a cease-and-desist order from the copyright owner because of this, it won't be my fault. Mademoiselle Fifi (talk) 15:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Evalyn Walsh McLean reference
"When Missus Ned McLean (God bless her) Can get Russian reds to "yes" her, Then I suppose Anything goes."
- I've been wondering the same thing for a long time, and there's very little info to go on. Not surprisingly, the finer details of tabloid celebrity drama from 80 years ago are hard to find reliable sources on. I know she was pretty much your typical lavishly spendy old-money heiress of the Depression era: owned the Hope Diamond, threw a million dollar birthday party for her toy dog, had the obligatory unhappy, drama-filled marriage to an old-money millionaire industrialist (he owned the Washington Post) that ended in an ugly public divorce. The Russian aspect is harder to pin down; some places say she went on a tour of Leninist Russia shortly after the revolution and somehow they not only let her into the country, but also found her extremely charming when they really should have hated everything she stood for. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 11:04, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
My understanding is that Mrs Ned McLean (Evelyn Walsh McLean) hosted many lavish parties. She went on a tour to Russia to see how the socialist political system worked and whether it would also be something great for the rest of the world. The "Russian Reds" were known to be quite conservative, straight-laced and puritanical. The song says however that Mrs Ned McLean (God bless her) can get Russian reds to "Yes" her. This means she is somehow able to get these "Russian reds" to reply "YES" when they RSVP to one of her famous parties. This would have sounded crazy and funny to listeners at the same time. An even more interesting story mentioned in the song is that regarding the custody battle over Gloria Vanderbilt. She happens to be CNN anchor Anderson Cooper's mother. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 09:28, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
References for expansion
Calling upon moderators to fix this entry
This entry on the famous song has two glaring problems, neither of which I am sufficiently skilled to fix:
1) The Tony Bennett/Lady Gaga version, which is certainly excellent, is currently discussed in a section that is far too long. No matter how good, it is just another version. Rather than waste all that work there can be a new wikipage devoted to their version of the song, but it shouldn't all be in the main article.
2) I came to this page specifically to find out the meaning of the cryptic lyrics -- one of Wikipedia's great uses -- and was surprised to see no specific explanations, and stunned when I came to this "Talk" page and found that the page used to have the lyrics and, evidently, explanations, but someone deleted them for dubious reasons. If it is true that the full lyrics can't be reproduced because of fair use laws then there are ways to quote parts, especially those most in need of analysis. Again, I don't know how to do any of this, but it does need to be done.
- I came here for the same purpose, expecting an analysis similar to that given for "We Didn't Start the Fire," and am disappointed for similar reasons. If the previous attempt to explain the contents was not satisfactory, it should be fixed, not discarded! Critterkeeper (talk) 13:16, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Anything Goes (Cole Porter song). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20140801202630/http://www.vmagazine.com/site/content/2892/the-video-lady-gaga-and-tony-bennett---anything-goes to http://www.vmagazine.com/site/content/2892/the-video-lady-gaga-and-tony-bennett---anything-goes
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141017040654/http://tecfoundation.com/tec/14nomineescreat.html to http://tecfoundation.com/tec/14nomineescreat.html
|checked=, on this template, to true or failed to let other editors know you reviewed the change. If you find any errors, please use the tools below to fix them or call an editor by setting
|needhelp= to your help request.
- If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.
|needhelp=<your help request> on this template to request help from an experienced user. Please include details about your problem, to help other editors.