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Who ruined the original article? It was called Apalachee, the Spanish, and Catholicism.

What the hell is a "southeastern culture?"71.253.40.208 14:18, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Native American tribes of the southeastern United States shared many elements of culture, such as building mounds and consuming the black drink in ceremonies. -- Dalbury^(Talk) 00:25, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The term 'southeastern culture' is sometimes called the "Southeastern Ceremonial Complex" (SECC), and refers to a collection of shared cultural elements, including art and art motifs, mound building, shared mythology/cosmology, etc. that existed amoung the southeastern tribes prior to contact. --Emb021 21:34, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Additions of 2 August 2006

I've removed some material, and tagged other parts. I deleted part of one paragraph because it wasn't sourced, and another paragraph because it read like a promotion pamphlet for a modern attempt to recreate an old mission. The new section needs to be rewritten to conform to Wikipedia style guidelines. Also, do not link to images on external sites. Images that are in the public domain or that have been released under the GFDL may be uploaded to Wikipedia and then linked to. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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My apologies. I was cut and pasting, and missed that. -- Donald Albury^(Talk) 22:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Needs a separate article on the language; and needs more inline citations. Also more information on the present-day tribe is important, and an infobox is needed --Miskwito (talk) 02:23, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 02:23, 28 April 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 08:05, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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Map

The map has the Otto on the map in the south (the #1). They were actually in Nebraska. 24.20.248.65 (talk) 02:01, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I see a number of errors on the map, but it is hard to find accurate maps of Native American territories that are free to use on Wikipedia. (The more accurate maps that I have seen are all in recently published [20 years ago or less] books or journal articles, and so still under copyright.) I suspect it will be hard to get consensus to remove that map without a better one to replace it. - Donald Albury 15:42, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's actually the #2 on the map, for reference, and yes, there are a number of inaccuracies. The user that created the map doesn't appear to be active so leaving a message for them would be pointless. Hopefully a user will come along that can recreate the map more accurately. --ARose Wolf 15:49, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cultural heritage groups

Hi User:Donald Albury, Indigenous Florida is definitely your sphere of knowledge, so my apologies for contradicting your edits, but the Talimali Band of Apalachee are already mentioned in the "Cultural heritage groups" section. Listing a contemporary group in the "Spanish missions and 18th-century warfare" would break chronology. Yuchitown (talk) 01:03, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

No problem. I had it firmly in mind that the continuity of the Talimali Band with the historic Apalachee was widely accepted by historians of the post-European-contact era in Florida, but I am having trouble finding published sources that explicitly state that (it sort of hovers in the background in some sources). I do know that the Talimali Band has given up on getting Federal recognition. Real life is limiting my engagement with WP right now, so I've stopped searching. If I do find appropriate sources in the future, I will re-visit this. Donald Albury 01:50, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Then there's the challenge of the Talimali Band of Apalachee Indians, Apalachee Indians Talimali Band, and Apalachee Indian Tribe, so plenty of opportunities to share information. Take care and hope you are having some fun out there! Yuchitown (talk) 03:12, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

There are Yuchi/Euchee and Muscogee Nation both in Oklahoma 24.143.16.140 (talk) 03:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, what does that have to do with the Apalachees? Donald Albury 14:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A people's name should not be based on what Europeans called them

If we know how to spell the name of these people based on their language, as is documented in the Appalachian Mountains page, why is this page using the Spanish spelling of the name? 130.208.119.193 (talk) 11:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:COMMONNAME explains Wikipedia’s policy of using the name mostly widely used in published literature. The alternate spellings listed in Appalachian Mountains are also hispanicized spellings. Yuchitown (talk) 14:09, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First, article titles are based on "recognizability", "naturalness", "precision", "concision", and "consistency". "Apalachee" is the name used for these people in the overwhelming majority of reliable sources, so that is what we use for the title.

The Name section gives a possible source for the name, citing the Choctaw (not Apalachee) word apelachi. Appalachian Mountains cites a book for the name "Apalachee" that I don't have access to. Two books that I do have access to, Florida Place-Names of Indian Derivation, by J. Clarence Simpson (1956), and Florida Place Names, by Joan Perry Morris (1995), give the same derivation that is already in the article. We do not know exactly what the Apalachee called themselves. Donald Albury 14:25, 7 September 2024 (UTC) edited - Donald Albury 14:30, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]