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Source check[edit]

Footnote 244: Earth magazine, 2011-03, pp. 42–51, least should have a title.--Jarodalien (talk) 09:00, 8 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My best but unconfirmed guess is that it is probably
Gutheinz, Joseph Richard, Jr. (March 2011). "A memoir: A decade-plus of tracking lunar larceny". Earth. American Geosciences Institute. pp. 42–51.
An excerpt of the article, about the lunar samples, is at [1], but does not seem to include the supporting text. AGI does sell a PDF of the issue for $2 if anyone cares enough to get it and verify. TJRC (talk) 16:54, 8 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

About flags[edit]

Base on this article, "...It was decided that, in addition to the large flag, 4 x 6 inch flags of the 50 states, the District of Columbia, the U.S. territories, and flags for all member countries of the United Nations and several other nations, would be carried in the lunar module and returned for presentation to governors and heads of state after the flight." So did they carried hundreds of small flags up there?--Jarodalien (talk) 12:52, 9 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That's correct. They were presented along with a speck of Moon rock. We have images of many of them at commons:Category:Apollo 11 lunar sample displays. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:15, 9 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Are there other sources or images that we can include in the article to strengthen the article? This seems to be a "little known fact" which is quite interesting and it would be great to expend the article with additional information. Jurisdicta (talk) 05:22, 30 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think it would be an effective addition to note the carrying of the flags more clearly, and to include a photo of one. The closest we get to mentioning it in the current version is "The flag of American Samoa on Apollo 11 is on display at the Jean P. Haydon Museum in Pago Pago, the capital of American Samoa", which doesn't really explain much, and implies that only American Samoa's flag was carried.
An effective photo to add would be the one of the Soviet Union flag.
It would be great to have a NASA photo of the whole set of flags, and I'd be surprised if no one thought to take a photo of them (but then again, Aldrin never thought to take a photo of Armstrong on the moon), but I've so far been unable to find one. TJRC (talk) 16:08, 30 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2021[edit]

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ExcarnateSojourner (talk) 03:55, 7 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Done I reached the required ten edits to edit the article, so I fulfilled my own request. ExcarnateSojourner (talk) 04:40, 7 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Move "Part of a series" sidebar to another location?[edit]

The current location of the {{Apollo11series}} sidebar (under See Also) causes the sidebar to overflow into Citations, which prevents them from using the full width of the screen on desktop viewers. This causes a lot of wasted space, making the scroll to the Sources and External links to take even longer.

I propose that sidebar be moved to another location in the article. Normally I'd suggest below the infobox, but probably not in this article for the following reasons: 1., The infobox is already quite long; 2., the mission patch near the bottom of the infobox would be visually redundant with the mission patch in the sidebar that would be right below it; and 3., MOS:LEAD discourages sidebars in the lead section.

Perhaps placing the sidebar at the top of the Legacy section? There aren't any images that the sidebar would conflict with, or look cluttered near there.

Other locations / suggestions?  — sbb (talk) 02:52, 13 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unattributed Matter of Opinion[edit]

In the lead it is says "Apollo 11 effectively proved US victory in the Space Race", however this is a matter of opinion and is unattributed (the inline source does not even say this) The controversial nature of this opinion is accurately described on the Space Race article, stating "such an opinion is generally contentious", something not at all reflected in this article.

A user known as Hawkeye claims in their revisions of my tagging of this issue that the article is "fully sourced" as if this is somehow relevant to this issue despite me explaining in my edit summary (and now here again) how it is not.

They also accuse me of "drive by tagging" in which i direct them to WP:DRIVEBY.

If hawkeye wishes to provide a justification for their edits please do so (given they are, for some reason, incapable of doing so in their edit summaries), however if anyone has a solution to this issue (as i simply tagged it), I would also encourage a reply. Xoltered (talk) 09:56, 23 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The article is fully sourced, and the references in question are to Chaiken, Live from the Moon, p. 57, and Schefter, The Race, p. 288, which you claim to have checked. The former says:

“American moon” reflected the way in which Apollo 11 could be viewed through the lens of nationalism: By winning the space race with the Soviet union, Apollo had given a boost to the nation’s prestige in the world and, for many Americans, a heightened a sense of national pride.

The latter says:

The race was over. America won.

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 11:42, 23 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The statement can't be controversial unless someone disagrees with it. Do you have any reference to someone who says the US did not win the Space Race by landing the first person on the Moon? Fcrary (talk) 18:56, 23 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Even the Soviet Union acknowledged it. Canterbury Tail talk 19:31, 23 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Spacecraft properties / Launch mass[edit]

In this article, the "Launch mass" shows 100,756 pounds (45,702 kg).

First, "Launch mass" as indicated in the article is ambiguous as it does not specify to which object or set of objects it refers.

Second, this number conflicts with NASA historical data[1] which shows weights at launch in pounds mass for the lunar module alone at 109,646 pounds (49,735 kg) and the total launch vehicle at 6,477,875 pounds (2,938,315 kg).

I'm not making any edits because I am unsure how the 100,756 pounds figure was calculated, but it seems possibly incorrect so I'll call attention to it here.

Arfyness (talk) 22:19, 31 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, you are totally misreading the NASA source. The 109,646 pounds is for the entire "spacecraft" (stack) which includes the Spacecraft-LM Adapter and the Launch Escape Tower. Those last two components should not be included because they are not part of the lunar spacecraft. We should only include the Command/Service Module (CSM) which is 63,507 pounds and the LM which is 33.278 pounds. The total lunar spacecraft is 96,785 pounds. JustinTime55 (talk) 00:01, 1 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Ground Ignition Weights". history.nasa.gov. Retrieved 31 May 2022.