Talk:Apple IIc Plus

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This article, like others before it, was created in order to expand the Apple II's presence on Wikipedia. Originally there was only the Apple II Family article with essentially one long paragraph making a mention of each model in passing. While I helped evolve it into nutshell listings (about a paragraph per model) along with descriptive photos, I still felt it lacking, especially considering the fact there are entries to be found on all the various other computers of its era (e.g. all the Commodore's, Atari's, Amiga's, early Macintosh's, Tandy's, etc). And with the importance the Apple II has had on the computer industry, being its literal grandfather, it felt unreasonable to have everything condensed into one "family" article.

I've made an effort to make the article as complete and accurate as possible, but like any other, feel free to make corrections or additions if appropriate.-- Mitchell Spector --Apple2gs 00:21, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Was the Apple IIc Plus really the last model?[edit]

I'm sure some people may argue the Apple IIc Plus was not last Apple II model. While granted there was the "Apple IIGS with 1 Megabyte of RAM" (aka the ROM 3) released a year following the release of the IIc Plus, this was not a new model, anymore than say the Enhanced IIe or Memory Expandable IIc could be considered a new model. It was a maintenance update, not a new machine (Apple didn't even offer an official upgrade, it just merely replaced the 256K motherboard at the factory).

As well, the Apple IIe Card for the Macintosh released 2.5 years following the IIc Plus was not even part of the Apple II line, it was just a plug-in hardware emulation board for the Macintosh platform, so that cannot even be considered.

8k vs 16k of Cache RAM[edit]

Although the IIc Plus has 2 physical 8k x 8 Static rams, they can only work with a total of 8 KB of information at any given time, hence 8k of logical cache. This is consistant with the Zip Chip, Zip GS, Transwarp, etc which all had more physical ram for cache than the logical equivelant. IE. A 8/64 zip GSX had (4) 32KB x 8's = 128 KB. 64KB was TAG ram, 64KB was DATA ram. The IIc Plus operates on exactly the same principle. I'm just laying this out here to prevent confusion. --PZ 09:57, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

It's also interesting to note that, much like the ZipGS, one could increase the clock speed of the Apple IIc Plus's (built-in) accelerator by simply changing the oscillator. It requires a bit of soldering since the oscillator isn't socketed, but that is all that's necessary to double it from 4 MHz to 8 MHz (higher speeds may require a faster 65C02 and SRAMs). It's not something I would add to the main article though, this is just some interesting user trivia. --Apple2gs 00:06, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I covered this oveclocking mod for the IIc+ in the new Apple II accelerators article. As far as replacing the CPU, I'm not sure that this is possible, I heard somewhere that the 65c02 on the motherboard is actually a custom chip containing a 65c02 core AND controlling logic for the cache. I'd like to verify this. --PZ 00:32, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Photographs of Apple IIc Plus used in article[edit]

I had originally used photographs (showing the top, side and back view of the IIc Plus, as well as it's internal motherboard) from the old-computers.com website, which worked quite well--both asthetically and in terms of giving a visual image of the subject matter. Unfortunately, it turned out the images were copyrighted, and despite my request to use them on Wikipedia, the owner refused and had them removed. Right now that leaves the article bare as far as images are concerned.

The good news is I own an Apple IIc Plus, and so went about photographing as similar looking images as possible (had to use Photoshop to hide the heavy discoloration and wear on the case). There should no future problems with copyrights now since they're my own photographs. I still do need a image of the IIc Plus motherboard--can anyone out there help? (it'd be a pain to disassemble my IIc+ to snap a photo, but I suppose I can if I have to). --Apple2gs 03:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Finally have all the photographs restored. Thanks goes out to Mark Frischknecht for providing a new image of the IIc Plus motherboard and allowing permission for it to be used. This one actually works out better since I've highlighted only the changed areas of the motherboard (in comparison to the original Apple IIc).--Apple2gs 05:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Binary prefixes[edit]

Recently changes have been made to this article to use binary prefixes (KiB, MiB, kibibyte, mebibyte etc). The majority of reliable sources for this article do not use binary prefixes. If you have any thoughts/opinions then this specific topic is being discussed on the following talk page Manual of Style (dates and numbers) in the sections to do with "binary prefixes". Fnagaton 10:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)