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...in late 3019 T.A. Aragorn was crowned as King Elessar... ...ruled the Reunited Kingdom of Gondor and Arnor until 120 F.A. (3141 T.A.)... ...died at the age of 210, after 120 years of reign.
You know, that makes 122 years, not 120 – the last year of the Fourth Age was 3021. Or use the Third Age equivalent for 120 F.A. (3141–3019=122).
Man vs Dúnedain
- Well, that is why I listed the one in parentheses. While the Dúnedain are a branch of men, they do differ significantly enough that it is worth noting.Ryecatcher773 (talk) 17:41, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
"Oath of Elendil"
user:Pritivarma1985 has edited the following passage in the lead:
- he was crowned King Elessar Telcontar of Gondor
by adding the phrase:
- and takes the oath of Elendil
Aragorn repeats Elendil's words, but there is no implication in the text that it was an oath (as opposed to, say, a prophecy), and the passage as it stands conveys the implication that the oath was expected of the King on taking the throne (for which there is no warrant in the text). So I have again removed this phrase. -- Elphion (talk) 03:05, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
I've noticed of the Tolkien articles generally on Wikipedia, that they treat the material as if it were history. Even in the section dealing with the composition history, one gets the impression that Tolkien was just channeling a secret history Joseph Smith style.
One may suppose that this approach is taken to suppress any attempt at literary criticism. Why is there no discussion of the style and themes of Tolkien, of his relationship to source material, or to other literature? The approach seems fannish rather than scholarly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malkhos (talk • contribs) 22:25, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
- One would suppose incorrectly: there's no attempt here to suppress literary criticism. But (a) such material generally attaches to the works, not the characters (see, e.g., J. R. R. Tolkien's influences); and (b) many editors aren't particularly interested in (or knowledgeable about) such matters, so don't add that kind of material. Feel free to jump in. -- Elphion (talk) 00:49, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- Malkhos, Tolkien explicitly played with the theme of "channeling a secret history" - or, rather, translating historical sources of a mythical past himself. "The Lord of the Rings" supposedly is nothing but the translation of chapters in the "Red Book of Westmarch". --126.96.36.199 (talk) 13:23, 2 February 2014 (UTC)