Talk:Armed Forces of the Argentine Republic
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- 1 Untitled
- 2 1980s transition to democracy
- 3 Operacion 90
- 4 History and the military
- 5 Foreign Relations
- 6 The "French connexion"
- 7 the Falklands war 1982
- 8 Argentine Marine Corps (COIM) is not a "Branch of Service" of the Argentinian Military.
- 9 Why the "History" section is focused only in the period post-WW2?
- 10 Contradiction?
- 11 Why only "Army" images?
- 12 File:Faa.gif Nominated for Deletion
Does anyone else think that the military dictatorship should be mentioned on this page? It does seem relevant to an article called Military of Argentina. Two16 09:23 Jan 11, 2003 (UTC)
1980s transition to democracy
I just undid a revision here. Although Argentina was clearly well-defeated in the war, the tone of the change was neither encyclopedic nor neutral - more of a cheering section, so back it went.--MartinezMD (talk) 02:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Is this someone trying to be sarcastic? A "large-scale" military maneuver consisting of only 10 soldiers? If no one corrects it, I will delete "large scale" since it is inconsistent without an explanation (perhaps the rest of the operation was large?).--MartinezMD (talk) 06:23, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
History and the military
I've just reverted 126.96.36.199 (talk · contribs) on history of the military. Large changes such as blanking an entire paragraph are to be discussed in this talk page first. Besides, an article about the military in Argentina that overlooks the history of coups d'état of this country is clearly lacking... especially considering that the main occupation of the Argentine military between 1955 and 1983 (with the exception of Malvinas, of course) has been precisely producing one coup after another. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 01:41, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
The "French connexion"
We cant have more than half of the article about this, also this subject is in Argentine Army too. I suggest move all that to a separate article a left here a short footnote Jor70 03:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
the Falklands war 1982
why is there no mention at all of this conflict and its effects on the Argentine military after the collapse of the dictatorship(military)
- Why would an invasion of another country "bolster its dwindling legitimacy"? Popularity maybe, but not legitimacy. However attacks on stronger countries usually end badly for those hoping to improve their popularity by an act of aggression. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 01:24, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Argentine Marine Corps (COIM) is not a "Branch of Service" of the Argentinian Military.
As stated in the current wikiarticle about the argentinian marine corps:
- "The Argentine Marine Corps, in Spanish Infantería de Marina Armada Republica Argentina, or IMARA, The Naval Infantry of the Argentine Armada, also Commando of the Infantry of Marina of Argentine Navy, (COIM), is one of the four operational commands of the Navy."
Hence, unless there is documented evidence to support keeping it as a "branch of service", I propose to remove the link to the "Argentine Marine Corps" from that list.
Kind regards, DPdH (talk) 09:29, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
- Please also note, in the "Introduction" and the "Structure" section of this article the Marine Corps is not among the Armed Forces (responsible to Defence Ministry) or the Security Forces (responsible to Interior Ministry). Hence there is no reason to consider it a separate, independent service branch. Regards, DPdH (talk) 09:44, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Why the "History" section is focused only in the period post-WW2?
Albeit what's written in this section seems to be adequate (haven't yet checked relevant sourcing/referencing), I found a bit strange that nothing is said about the period before 1965 (which for the Army and Navy begins in the 1810's). Am I wrong, or this seems a bit biased? Can anyone please help improving this section? I don't have documented references handy to do it myself.
Thanks & Regards, DPdH (talk) 09:57, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
As user Mesoso2 pointed out, there is an apparent contradiction that might be caused by edition. Up to my knowledge, the PNA and the GN ("para-military" branches) are under control of the Interior Ministry, and the Army, Navy and Air Force are controlled by the Defence Ministry. Time provided, will research a bit using the official websites of the Argentinean forces and will try to resolve this contradiction.
Thanks & regards, DPdH (talk) 03:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but I just don't see what the contradiction here would be. Both the Argentine Naval Prefecture and the Argentine National Gendarmerie, as paramilitary forces, are fully capable of performing military duties, are (expected to be) assigned to the Ministry of Defence in case a war occurs and their function, organisation and training are similar to those of professional military forces. That's why they are, and have always been, considered part of Argentina's National Defence System. Perhaps you can point out what exactly the supposed contradiction here is. Until then though, I'll proceed to remove the contradiction note, as it has been a while since it was added there. If you have any objections, please provide us with a reasonable and clear explanation for adding it back. Thank you in advance. —Aucun effort n'est trop grand 01:26, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- HI, I didn't nave too much time to research on this, so it's still in my "to-do" list. A quick look to the law regulating the formation and opeation of the Argentine National Gendarmerie (pls see in the official ANG website: Ley 19349, unfortunately in spanish only) seems to indicate that ANG is still under the Argentine Army command. As this law is quite old (1971 - there was a De Facto government at that time, headed by General Lanusse) maybe the situation is not strictly that, need to check more in detail. The ANG now reports not to the Interior Ministry, but to the Justice, Security and Human Rights Ministry(see official website ), so maybe this also needs to be updated in the article. Anyway, let's leave this "contradiction issue" as it's now, for the time being.
- By the way, there are no citations supporting your assertions. Maybe you (or somebody else) could kindly provide them?
- Kind regards, DPdH (talk) 04:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
- Argentina's 1994 national constitution and subsequent laws prohibit the Argentine Army, as well as other branches of the Argentine Armed Forces, from participating in internal security affairs. That fact alone should be enough to tell that the 1971 law you mentioned is quite clearly no longer in effect, or at least not completely. Besides, although the information regarding the current dependence of the gendarmerie on either the interior or security ministries should be naturally updated, that's not really a contradiction of any sort. For citations supporting my assertions, please see Argentina's laws for regulating interior security, national defence and navigation, as well the official websites for both the Argentine National Gendarmerie and the Argentine Naval Prefecture. Cheers. —Aucun effort n'est trop grand 18:16, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Why only "Army" images?
I wonder why in an article about "all" the Argentine Armed Forces, only images from one of them (the Argentine Army) have been used to illiustrate it. IMHO, some pictures of elements of the other armed forces (Argentine Air Force, Argentine Navy, etc.) should be included, to make the article more "balanced".
Kind regards, DPdH (talk) 22:09, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Because no one has submitted them. You are free to add pictures from the other service branches but they have to be free/public domain photographs.--MartinezMD (talk) 23:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
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