Talk:Armistice of 22 June 1940
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It was Hitler's crowning moment.
- Quite. Hitler must have been the happiest person in the world at that moment; his entire life vindicated. It must have been fantastic to be him on this day. His pores must have exuded triumph, power and sexual energy. None of the other dictators or political leaders in the entire century could have had such a moment of personal triumph. Their enemies were either diffuse, imaginary, or died off-stage. I imagine Eva Braun's orifice was sore for days afterwards. Perhaps this day was one of the great cusps of history, and if Hitler's life story is treated as an epic tragedy this must be akin to the infinitesimally brief moment when King Arthur had everything lined up, just right. -Ashley Pomeroy 12:47, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
One would think that Stalin would have had a similar moment of personal triumph meeting Truman and Atlee at Potsdam im 1945 secure in the knowledge that the greatest threat to the survival of the Soviet Empire and world communism -- Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany -- had been destroyed forever and that through their own errors and misjudgements the Western Allies he dispised were powerless to prevent him from doing as he wished in Central Europe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 08:20, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
one would think that the robots that have taken over by this point in time would have stoopped hitler but unfortunately that was not the case. more and more people began to migrate to Robot gERMANY and that is what hitler wanted more people to come to his country = more to set his robo dogs on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 13:40, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Who was in the carriage? In the Wochenau newsreel, Hitler and Keitel are named on the German side, Huntziger on the French side. Who else was there, and what were their jobs? I would be interested to know who the fat civilian was with the hat, on the French side. He looked unhappy about something (g). 22.214.171.124 (talk) 09:37, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Four articles I've looked at have disagreements in the timeline in June 1940 of the armistice being signed and France surrendering. The article Timeline of World War II#June gives the following:
- June 21: Franco-German armistice negotiations begin at Compiegne.
- June 22: Franco-German armistice signed.
- June 24: France officially surrenders to Germany; Franco-Italian armistice signed.
This disagrees with Armistice with France (Second Compiègne) which currently says the Armistice was signed on June 21. The article Battle of France currently states that France surrendered on June 25, as does the article Military history of France during World War II#Aftermath. I don't know which is correct, so I won't make any changes, but somebody should sort this out and find the correct dates, and then ensure that these four articles are mutually consistent. --Mathew5000 19:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- The armistice with Germany was signed on 22 June, 18:50. In it Article 23 stipulated that it would come into force six hours after an armistice was signed with Italy. The armistice with Italy was signed on 24 June, 18:35 (19:35 in Rome). Thus at 0:35 on 25 June the French Army surrendered. So there was no armistice as opposed to a capitulation: they were two aspects of the same act.--MWAK 19:58, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Moved from article
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Fall of France
The article on Andrew Cunningham, 1st Viscount Cunningham of Hyndhope (featured today on the front page) links to this article with the link text "Fall of France". Now it seems to me (as someone unfamiliar with detail on WWII) that although Wikipedia identifies this as an alternative name for the Battle of France (in the article of the same name), the Cunningham article is right in discursively referring to the consequent armistice as being relevant part of the Fall in that context. However, this article doesn't refer to that term at all, which is confusing when it's the subject of a link of that description. Could someone who know their stuff find an appropriate way to add to the article that this is a term which is in use in relation to the Armistice? BigBlueFish (talk) 01:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Not sure if this is the best place to ask this, but -
This claims that a small French military was preserved. Where - in the north, or south? If in the north, did it participate in the Allied invasion four years later? Brutannica (talk) 22:40, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- The armistice specified that the only exception to demobilisation and disarming would be for groups necessary for the maintenance of internal order - I guess they meant the French Gendarmerie, which, although carrying out police duties, is a military force. The relevant text (my italics and emphasis) says:
- Article 4. Die französische Wehrmacht zu Lande, zu Wasser und in der Luft ist in einer noch zu bestimmenden Frist demobilzumachen und abzurüsten. Ausgenommen davon sind nur jene Verbände, die für die Aufrechterhaltung der inneren Ordnung nötig sind. Ihre Stärke und Bewaffnung bestimmen Deutschland bzw. Italien. ...
- Scartboy (talk) 13:07, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
- PS The texts of the German and Italian armistices, in German and Italian respectively, are available as a 1.2MB PDF at http://www.zaoerv.de/10_1940/10_1940_1_4_b_851_2_860_1.pdf (Link courtesy of German Wikipedia) Scartboy (talk) 13:15, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
- I have since discovered that there was a Vichy army of about 90,000 without heavy weapons or equipment, which was based in the non-occupied part of France and was disbanded when the Vichy zone was taken over by the Germans in November 1942. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy_France#Army_of_the_Armistice Scartboy (talk) 16:28, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Copy section to Wikisource request
To copy the identified section to Wikisource, we need to know that the translation is in the public domain. To do that we need details of the source of the work, and/or the details of the translator, or indication that we have an OTRS of the text from the translator. Get back to me directly if there is assistance or clarification required. billinghurst sDrewth 14:56, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
- It's be on Wikisource since 13 May 2004, see s:Franco-German_Armistice. —James (Talk • Contribs) • 5:50pm • 07:50, 6 June 2011 (UTC)