Talk:Arthur Seymour

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Arthur Seymour[edit]

The contribution below was moved here from the talk page of Schwede66

Hi there, not very good at this, but I was the one who corrected the mistakes on the Arthur Penrose Seymour page which has been reverted back again. Most of his life has been wrongly told, and the photo depicted of him as a rat was done by the Liberals who set him up and then destroyed his political career. Even his obituary was about 50% wrong and was written by journalists who had no idea about his life. I have spent four years researching his life and have consulted all the family literature available, including 58 years of diary writings, and believe that most of what has been written on him was done by the people who tried to dispose of his memory, because he was politically the strongest force standing up against the Liberal cause. My book comes out soon and will explain all, I hope at that time you might do a more balanced review on his life then the same one that has been wrongly perpetuated through his life and even after his death. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.73.164.144 (talk) 23:41, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi there, welcome to the mysteries of Wikipedia. I've moved your contribution to the article's talk page, as that's where this discussion belongs. It's interesting what you say. Whilst I take your word for it, the way Wikipedia works is that you ought to reference content, so that it's an encyclopaedia. I reverted your changes because you didn't reference what you added, it was at odds with what I had read about Seymour (and I hear what you say above), and because you removed the caricature, all of which was not explained or justified by an edit summary. I admit it's hard to find one's way around initially, but I'm happy to mentor you if you wish. But now that you have explained where you are coming from, there's another problem, and that's called 'no original research'. All is not lost, though, and I suggest the following:
  • Publish your book.
  • Once that piece of work is published, we can then reference something (and then it's no longer original research, but quoting a piece of work).
  • It would be best if you let somebody else do the editing, so that there isn't a conflict of interest (given that you are the author of the work that is being quoted). If you wish, you could lend me the book, I'll have a read, and will then fix things up.
If you feel strongly about things having to be fixed up in the meantime, well, that's ok, but changes should be supported by some sources. In that case, it would be best that you sign up for an account, and you could post the sources here plus the suggested changes, and we can go from there. How does that sound? Schwede66 06:21, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

That's ok, I can wait till the book is published. Much of his work was decimated in newspapers owned by Liberals, and when he died at the age of 91, there was no one left to pay tribute to his career, he was the last Superintendent of any Province and had outlived all of his friends and peers. Marlborough will get a shock when they see how much this one gentleman contributed to their Province, and how very little was ever acknowledged of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.73.167.120 (talk) 04:13, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm not even from Marlborough, but have sort of done my share already. Now it just needs some 'tweaking'. Schwede66 04:25, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
How's your book going? Have you got a release date yet? Schwede66 17:57, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Book is being printed as we speak, I have made one other change to your page, it was the Seat of Government that was taken to and then removed from Picton, not the Capital. I have contacted the News tonight and am about to explain why Picton is still the Capital of Marlborough, this will mean a lot more modifications to come for you I am afraid! The Capital was set down by a Governor General of New Zealand, it is a fixed point, and requires another Governor General or law in Parliament to change it. It is a 147 year old mistake! Seymour negotiated the Removal of the Seat of Government, they had no power to remove the title of Capital. Will get in touch soon once the book is done, there are only 80 books, but it will rewrite some aspects of history. Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.73.171.184 (talk) 04:46, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

I suppose the book has been published by now. What's it called? Query - is there any relationship to Henry Seymour (1794–1883), who was an early settler in Nelson, member of the New Zealand Legislative Council (1853–1860), but returned to live in England? Schwede66 20:04, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi again, yes book is now published "The Grand Old Man of Marlborough", has had about 8 months in circulation and no one has disputed the findings as of yet, it is being quoted on historic sites as we speak. Best to borrow one of the free copies from the Marlborough libraries. Cheers, KerryG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.75.86.148 (talk) 01:16, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Great to hear the book's been published. I don't visit Marlborough very often at all. Could we please have an offline discussion of the options?
  1. Please sign up for an account, and then
  2. Send me a message per wikimail (I believe this only works when you do have an account, but you could try leaving out step 1)
Thanks. Schwede66 02:28, 2 March 2013 (UTC)