Talk:Artist collective

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I have made a major change to this page by inserting a first paragraph. It's my first significant Wikipedia contribution (excepting to the page on Collaborative Projects, the renovation of which I initiated). I hope you like it. I am afraid it renders some of the subsequent text redundant... Note also that I write "artists' collective" -- i think it's more accurate. You may or may not want to go with that for a title... Awm13579 (talk) 14:56, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

should this be somehow merged with the artist collective CATEGORY??

linkspam[edit]

I have just removed a link to 'loveart gallery' it is not a collective nor is it run by artists - it is a comercial online gallery. sorry 195.92.168.176. DavidP

Selected art collectives[edit]

I have removed all of the web links in the 'Selected art collectives' section, as well as some of the wiki pages as they didn't appear to be relevent. I also think that the whole section needs to be cleaned up as it is huge and a lot of the collectives don't have wiki pages anyway. So for the time being I am putting all of the links to non existent wiki pages in here and perhaps fans of these collectives can make the pages for them and then re ad them to the article. --Jimmyjrg 12:09, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Galleries that show collectives[edit]

Removed here for same reasons as Jimmyjrg. They don't appear to be relevant. --Bejnar 15:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Photojournalism Collectives[edit]

Would photojournalim collectives (Magnum Photos, VII Photo Agency, etc.) be appropriate to list? I think so, but the joint artistic-practical purpose of a photojournalist's work might make some people object, so I'm checking.



(response from a member of the group that initiated this page a few years ago.)

No, although very impressive, Magnum Photos would not fit here. An "Art Collective" is an association of artists who produce joint art works together. Sometimes the work that is "produced" is ephemeral or a-typical, such as discussion groups, research groups, group-run spaces, and performance-based groups. Sometimes a group is short-lived. Sometimes a group changes its identity or is nomadic. The key is that multiple artists have a practice whereby "something" is done together, as a part of a composite, collaborative process.

There are not many "experts" who focus on art collectives, but there are a few.

Here are some references from off the top of my head--not a definitive list, but a few launch points for further research. This includes historians/curators/critics/ and projects whose work specifically engages art collectives and creative collectivity.

(1) Holland Cotter/NY Times (general reviews about collectives) http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9904E0DA1331F93AA25752C0A9659C8B63 http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/05/arts/design/05cott.html (review of a specific collective) http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B03EFD6103BF937A35751C0A9639C8B63

(2) Alan W Moore - art historian/artist/scholar (personal blog) http://post.thing.net/blog/moore (essay) http://www.journalofaestheticsandprotest.org/3/moore.htm

(3) Gregory Sholette - scholar/writer/curator/artist http://www.gregorysholette.com/writings/writing_index.html http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/S/stimson_collectivism.html http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2479/is_3_27/ai_58470201/pg_2

(4) The Interventionists (not a person, but a show and a book of the same name, organized by Gregory Sholette and Nato Thompson.) http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=10229

(5) RtMark is an influential recent collective project that spawned the "Yes Men" as well as several other groups http://www.rtmark.com http://www.theyesmen.org/ http://www.yale.edu/dmca/dhtml/lectures99/rtmark.html

(6) THE THING Influential project, web service and project incubator http://www.thing.net

(7) David Little See the essay: "Colab Takes a Piece, History Takes It Back: Collectivity and New York Alternative Spaces", Art Journal, Vol.66, No. 1, Spring 2007, (College Art Association, New York) http://www.tomotterness.net/pdf/news_artjournal_colabdavidlittle_2007.pdf

(8) A Collective Adventure, by Michelle White, Art Lies, Issue #56 http://www.artlies.org/article.php?id=1542&issue=56&s=0

-J. Andrews/Nsumi Collective,nyc (Note: "Artist Collective," in my experience, is not a term commonly used among art collectives, "art collective" is more common. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.247.201.88 (talk) 03:34, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Methodology[edit]

After being in a number of art collective in England from 1967 I was amazed how little they were part of the discourses on art and how poorly historicised they were. I assumed the reasons were their radical nature but also there were difficulties in creating adequate accounts of such complex and dynamic entities. I tried to have a stab at addressing this in my 2002 doctoral thesis on Exploding Cinema. [1] see the tab artist collectives Szczels 21:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi y'all - i am one of these cited "experts" (A.W. Moore) -- and received now 2 cries from artists to weigh in on this page... the issue is complex: Of course! But i'm doing a seminar on this right now, and will pitch it out to them (not expecting much back, however). There are some key texts, and I'll bib 'em up for you. My approach to the question of definition would be 1) etymological, for which i'll need to hit the OED. My feeling is that it will roll out of Soviet era labor organization. I cannot really bend into this until teaching is done - May, June likely. Texts to consult: "Periodizing Collectivism" in Stimson & Sholette, "Collectivism After Modernism" (the intro); and the Third Text issues on collaborations that precedes it. Also the Fredericianum catalogue by What, How and Whom. BUT I can say that my inclination is to define it relatively narrowly. All forms of self-organization are not collectives. And so far as lists are concerned... you can find some that run in the 100s of names. Vet 'em all? That way lies madness... And Stefan, i'll check out your thesis!

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Merge with Art group[edit]

Hello,

These two articles deal with the same subject; the definition of Art group even includes Artist collective in its introductory summary. None of these articles have any reference, and a combination of both may allow a better and more comprehensive overview on the subject, although references are really necessary, here.

The interwiki links are divided around these two names without overlap, except for these two articles in English, so merging wikidata elements should also be considered. Daehan (talk) 23:33, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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