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Proposed Revert[edit]

It is my understanding that the hill is more renowned by the name Thiruvannamalai (Thiru + Annamalai). The term Arunachala returns more results in Google because the term Arunachala may refer to the hill or the deity Arunachala(Arunachaleshwarar is the name of the deity Shiva of the Annamaliyar temple often called Arunachala) or to some extent also alludes to the Indian state with a similar name - Arunachal Pradesh. The name Arunachala is more often used to refer the deity and not the hill by the locals. I suggest that the move from Annamalai Hill to Arunachala be reverted. Mr.Falcon (talk) 21:03, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Moreover, I hate to judge the names by Google result count but because it was projected as the cause for the initial move I am projecting this. As of now, Google comes back with

Results Count Search Term
943,000 Annamalai
705,000 Arunachala
672,000 Annamalai hills
140,000 Arunachala hills

Mr.Falcon (talk) 23:25, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Proposed move[edit]

This article has been renamed from Annamalai Hill to Arunachala as the result of a move request.

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was Move

Annamalai Hill returns 603 google hits Arunachala returns 90,000

Various Hindu sacred texts use the name Arunachala, I think the move is a clear one. Sethie (talk) 17:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


Greetings, Sethie. I strongly support you on this. I understand the argument for the Annamalai Hill article name (Tamil/Skt origin of words, the Hill being in Tamil Nadu) ... but I think the vast majority of people who are aware of this Hill know the Hill as Arunachala. (And this is supported by your google hits info.) The fact that the Hill is usually known as Arunachala in the sacred texts is also very relevant to this. Iddli (talk) 18:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Nice additions[edit]

Thanks Iddli I like what you're adding. Sethie (talk) 23:01, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words Sethie. :-) Iddli (talk) 06:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, can I suggest that you add a link to the popular and free http://www.arunachala-live.com/ webcam, as a service to devotees who do not live there? 59.92.87.80 (talk) 09:50, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

I really like the idea of having a link to the webcam ... My concern is that the webcam page is linked to information related to accommodations in Tiru. It seems to be a service pointing people toward clean rooms, etc but I am not sure if it violates any policy to add the webcam link to the Arunachala article as it stands now. I will try writing to the site owner and seeing if he/she would be willing to create a stand-alone page for the webcam which is not not linked to anything else. Thanks for the excellent suggestion! Iddli (talk) 17:11, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Sethie is open to webcam, in fact, he votes to include it. It might be "better" if there were no commercial links, and on that webpage there is only one link and it is more of a resource for travellers. Sethie (talk) 21:26, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your support Sethie ... just give me a day or so and then I will add it. (Iddli (talk) 23:27, 22 December 2007 (UTC))
Great improvements since I was last here, both in article move/name change to Arunachala and in plan to add webcam. --Dseer (talk) 06:10, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, please also add http://theholyarunachala.wordpress.com/ as an external link. Santosh.shanmukh (talk) 17:20, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Requested Move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No Consensus Tiggerjay (talk) 21:19, 28 January 2013 (UTC)



ArunachalaAnnamalai

It is my understanding that the hill is more renowned by the Tamil name Thiruvannamalai (Thiru + Annamalai). The term Arunachala returns more results in Google because the term Arunachala may refer to the hill or the deity Arunachala(Arunachaleshwarar is the name of the deity Shiva of the Annamaliyar temple often called Arunachala) or to some extent also alludes to the Indian state with a similar name - Arunachal Pradesh. The name Arunachala is more often used to refer the deity and not the hill by the locals. I suggest that the move from Annamalai Hill to Arunachala be reverted on the basis that the term Annamalai unambiguously refers the hill whilst the term Arunachala is ambiguous. In an unrelated example, the Tirumala temple's historical tamil name is Thirumalai, but it is referred to in Wikipedia by its local language(telugu) name - Tirumala


Moreover, I hate to judge the names by Google result count but because it was projected as the cause for the initial move I am projecting this. As of now, Google comes back with

Results Count Search Term
943,000 Annamalai
705,000 Arunachala
672,000 Annamalai hills
140,000 Arunachala hills

relisted-Mr.Falcon (talk) 16:33, 4 January 2013 (UTC) Mr.Falcon (talk) 23:25, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

relisted --Mike Cline (talk) 14:30, 18 November 2012 (UTC) Mr.Falcon (talk) 21:44, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

1. The town - Thiruvannamalai derives its name from the name of the mountain - Annamalai
2. The Thiruvannamalai temple website references the hill as Annamalai [1]
3. Arunachala is the sanskrit name and Annamalai is the tamil name which is how it is renowned locally. The Thirumala example in the original proposal was to underscore this
Mr.Falcon (talk) 17:00, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
relisted Mr.Falcon (talk) 23:15, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose - current titling agrees with Lonely Planet South India 2009 Page 418 the hill and the town have 2 articles : "Welcome to Tiruvannamalai. About 85km south of Vellore and flanked by boulder-strewn Mt Arunachala, this is one of the five 'elemental' cities of Shiva" In ictu oculi (talk) 07:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support In school text books, Annamalai Hills was mentioned and not Arunachala. Search in google books for Annamalai Hills against Arunachala Hills, first one has much more occurrences than the 2nd one.--GDibyendu (talk) 15:37, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. This ngram suggests that Annamalai is the common name, at least in Google Books.--Cúchullain t/c 18:00, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose - The holy hill is known all over the world as Arunachala. Changing the name of the article will cause confusion. Better to say in the article other names the hill is known by (and by whom,etc) Iddli (talk) 01:09, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
I thought popularity is defined by Google Results count in Wikipedia which supports my case Mr.Falcon (talk) 16:35, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
  • 'Oppose - the hill is well-known as Arunachala, due to Ramana Maharshi. Other names are already being mentioned in the lead. Joshua Jonathan (talk) 06:47, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
I wanted the article to reflect its popular name and Annamalai is what I see as much popular. I feel that it should be the other way round where Arunachala is mentioned in the lead section whilst the article itself is named Annamalai. Mr.Falcon (talk) 16:35, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.