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ASPARTAME: Please read and cite Dr Monte's book "While Science Sleeps a sweetener kills". It is a real eye opener. He has done some pretty convincing research and study pointing to chronic low level methanol exposure as a factor in the diseases of modern civilization. Humans, unlike other animals, cannot metabolize methanol. Methanol is highly toxic to humans in quite small doses. Methanol breaks down to, among other things, the very reactive and destructive formaldehyde. [of course formaldehyde does not appear in human tissues because it reacts too fast.] Aspartame can be up to 11% methanol. Methanol is also found in other foods and non food things in our modern day world. This is a rather simplistic look at a highly complicated subject but you really have overlooked or pushed aside some rather profound work in your write up of Aspartame. Elvie Fornshell — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elvie Fornshell (talkcontribs) 02:06, 17 November 2015‎ (UTC)

The Aspartame article has a section on methanol, [2]. I don´t know if Dr Monte is a reliable source, but he could possibly be used there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:25, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

If he says that humans can't metabolize methanol, he's talking out of his rear. Humans can metabolize methanol, just not very well. Fruit contains small quantities of (naturally occurring) methanol as well, so if we couldn't metabolize methanol at all, we'd be dead fairly quickly. Stui (talk) 18:11, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

In fruit and vegetables, methanol is part of pectin and people do not have the enzymes to break down the pectin to release the methanol. In aspartame products, methanol converts into formaldehyde and then formic acid. Immortale (talk) 13:55, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
The Magnuson,etal cited ref is quite explicit that we do get substantial "methanol" exposure from many fruits and other foods, not just irredeemably covalently bound forms of it. WP:MEDRS as usual. DMacks (talk) 14:48, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure Immortale is topic banned anyway. [3]. Dbrodbeck (talk) 15:22, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Weasely and Utterly Non-neutral article[edit]

This article promotes the viewpoint that any existing scientific study of aspartame that does not proclaim it to be completely safe is bogus (outside of those individuals possessing a rare condition), and the result of "conspiracy theory." Citing a couple references, in a widely studied and controversial commercial product, that make these sort of proclamations, is a rather dishonest tactic.

Anyone can google the subject to verify how slanted this article is, and verify the growing weight of peer-reviewed scientific evidence for broadly harmful effects of aspartame. The only issue is whether or not Wikipedia is to retain relevance as an information source, or simply be regarded as an outlet for disinformation by vested interests. Wikibearwithme (talk) 20:14, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

there is a lot of bad information on the internet. Content in Wikipedia follows reliable sources. Wikipedia has high standards for sourcing content about health. Please see WP:MEDRS, which is the guideline for selecting sources for content about health. Jytdog (talk) 20:47, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Hello User:Wikibearwithme. You're welcome to point us to suitable sources to update the article. Our requirements for sources in this article are laid out in WP:MEDRS. You don't have to worry too much about the formatting; a URL, DOI or handle to the original peer review paper will do. Many of us have access to pay-walled sources, so that's not a problem either. Stuartyeates (talk) 22:47, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

There is a useful list of peer-reviewed literature (title, pub. date) on aspartame at this link: These articles are further linked at that webpage.

18 Nov 2014 - Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 2006;15(9). September 2006 - Consumption Of Aspartame-Containing Beverages And Incidence Of Hematopoietic And Brain Malignancies [PDF format] (It will open in a new window) 30 May 2013 - Artificial Sweetener Consumption And Urinary Tract Tumors In Cordoba, Argentina [PDF format] (It will open in a new window) 30 May 2013 - Aspartame Administered In Feed, Beginning Prenatally Through Life Span, Induces Cancers Of The Liver And Lung In Male Swiss Mice [PDF format] (It will open in a new window) 30 May 2013 - Associations Of Sugar And Artificially Sweetened Soda With Albuminuria And Kidney Function Decline In Women [PDF format] (It will open in a new window) 30 May 2013 - Consumption Of Artificial Sweetener – And Sugar-Containing Soda And Rick Of Lymphoma And Leukemia In Men And Women [PDF format] (It will open in a new window) 30 May 2013 - Cytotoxic Effects Of Methanol , Formaldehyde, And Formate On Disassociated Rat Thymocytes: A Possibility Of Aspartame Toxicity [PDF format] (It will open in a new window) 30 May 2013 - Effective Of long Term Intake Of Aspartame On Antioxidant Defense Status In Liver [PDF format] (It will open in a new window) 30 May 2013 - Effect Of Chronic Exposure To Aspartame On Oxidative Stress In The Brain Of Albino Rats [PDF format] (It will open in a new window) 30 May 2013 - Formaldehyde Derived From Dietary Aspartame Binds To Tissue Components In Vivo [PDF format] (It will open in a new window) 21 Feb 2013 - Vascular Health Sciences Medical Advisor: I'll Say It Again, Stay Away From Aspartame [Vascular Health Sciences Medical Advisor Dr. DeSilva points to landmark research results to reiterate the dangers of aspartame 18 Feb 2013 - The Effect Of Aspartame Administration On Oncogene And Suppressor Gene Expressions [2007 Hungarian study] 18 Feb 2013 - 'Diet' Drinks Associated With Increased Risk Of Type II Diabetes 18 Feb 2013 - Alcohol Mixed With Diet Drinks May Increase Intoxication More Than Alcohol And Regular Drinks 18 Feb 2013 - Are Diet Soft Drinks Bad For You? 28 Jan 2013 - Diet Soda, Aspartame Shown To Destroy Kidney Function 15 Jan 2013 - No Safe Dose Of Aspartame [Remember that Dr. Adrian Gross, FDA scientist and toxicologist, told Congress, Senate, 8/1/85 that there is no safe dose of aspartame because it causes cancer. It can never be proven safe. He said FDA should have been able to even set an allowable daily intake. - Dr. B. Martini, D.Hum.] 15 Jan 2013 - India: Chronic Exposure To Aspartame Results In Oxidative Stress In Brains Of Albino Rats As Well As Methanol Formation 8/31/12 Aspartame = Corporate Espionage 03 Jan 2013 - Studies On The Effects Of Aspartame On Memory And Oxidative Stress In Brain Of Mice - Egypt 26 Nov 2012 - Consumption Of Artificial Sweetener And Sugar Containing Soda And The Risk Of Lymphoma And Leukemia In Men And Women (Includes Study (Aspartame) And Commentaries) 13 July 2012 - Gender Dimorphism in Aspartame-Induced Impairment Of Spatial Cognition And Insulin Sensitivity [Here is a new study proving that aspartame affects in utero the spatial cognition of male mice. Isn't it interesting that almost 100% of independent, scientific peer reviewed research for over 3 decades show the problems that aspartame cause, and that it is unsafe. I wonder how the manufacturer will try to rebut this one which is what they do with each damning study. The FDA will simply ignore it as they have done with all the damning studies. When is enough enough?! – Dr. B. Martini, D.Hum.] [PDF format] (It will open in a new window) 12 Oct 2011 - Early Aspartame Study Proved Cancers - Call For Data #2 12 Oct 2011 - EFSA Call For Data: #3 28 Sep 2011 - Aspartame - Call For Data Independent Scientific Peer Reviewed Research 28 Sep 2011 - Aspartame-Induced Thrombocytopenia [PDF format] (It will open in a new window) 26 Sep 2011 - Recent Independent Aspartame Research Results & News (1998 - 2007) 23 Sep 2011 - Adverse Effects Of Aspartame: Current Bibliographies In Medicine, National Institutes Of Health, Health And Human Resources (167 Citations) 23 Sep 2011 - Survey Of Aspartame Studies: Correlation Of Outcome And Funding Sources 16 Sep 2011 - Adverse Reactions To Aspartame: Double-Blind Challenge In Patients From A Vulnerable Population 16 Sep 2011 - Aspartame And Psychiatric Disorders 16 Sep 2011 - Report On Aspartame And Children 09 Sep 2011 - Aspartame Studies: Includes Industry And Independent 27 Aug 2011 - Recent Peer-Reviewed Studies Critical Of Aspartame (Methanol, Formaldehyde, Formic Acid) 13 Aug 2011 - Scientific Peer Reviewed Independent Studies On Aspartame

Wikibearwithme (talk) 23:33, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

You have not read MEDRS. Not a single source there complies with that guideline, which we apply to all content about health in Wikipedia. I understand that you came to Wikipedia believing that aspartame is unhealthy, but if you want to work here, you need to abide by the policies and guidelines that govern what we do here. Jytdog (talk) 23:45, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
by the way, in the future you will save everybody trouble if you just refer us to the page instead of copy/pasting from it. Jytdog (talk) 23:47, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
This has become the standard rhetorical response by fake authorities on Wikipedia - claiming that cited references, including research papers published in academic and highly respected, peer-reviewed journals "do not comply" with Wikipedia's "guidelines" on cited sources (accepting guidelines which themselves are rambling, vandalized, and far too unconcise to be vaguely allowable as conventional citation guidelines of any accredited university). This is a dishonest tactic.
First of all, to the credit of Wikipedia’s MEDRS guidelines, primary sources are not forbidden, and they are enumerated as not quantifiably less objectionable than a reliance on popular press articles - a fact that reflects an atleast average level of competence, since many contain exceptionally methodical literature reviews. Furthermore, contrary to your equivocating claims, they are not labeled as “not compatible” in the relied-upon guidelines, and their usage is therefore discussed throughout those guidelines.
Please use correct terminology when claiming to represent Wikipedia guidelines.
Furthermore, the present article, as it stands now, is utterly reliant on completely unreliable popular press nonsense (e.g. “the Daily Mail, The Washington Post, etc, etc). I don’t know anybody of actual integrity in the health sciences (much less in the harder sciences) who would represent this sort of reliance on popular media as a reliable assessment of scientific fact. Yet this biased article is self-righteously defended by its apparent protectors.
In addition, not all articles in the above list are primary sources – as it contains peer-reviewed secondary sources, which are far more reliable, by any estimate, including MEDRS, than most of the newsmedia, “native advertising” garbage cited in your beloved present article. Apparently, you did not read through the list provided adequately enough to make your claim.
Also, please save your imaginative inferences about my motivations for your personal blog - they don't belong here. Wikibearwithme (talk) 02:17, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
Please identify which of the sources from that website you believe are reviews. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 15:59, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
The first one on the list actually states in its abstract that (1) they failed to find a link between aspartame and whichever bad thing alleged to be linked to it and (2) the date on the footers is 2016 (whereas the list page says it is 2014). In other words, (1) at least one of the articles doesn't say what you think it does (you saw a scary title and drew your own conclusion?) and (2), the link doesn't open up to what the link says it does. And who is the source of this compilation of articles, which anyone might have cobbled together from who knows where? Even if they are lifted from a legitimate source, in their current form, they might as well be YouTube videos. There's no way of verifying who really wrote and web-published any of this, short of looking them up one by one in the journals they purport to come from. If someone thinks that's worth doing... ZarhanFastfire (talk) 04:33, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
Decided to look at the next four out of curiosity. The format is painful to read. One link is some sort of BBC report about H1N1. Another's abstract did exactly what the one above did, had a scary sounding title and then finished up with "harmless to humans". Did you actually read any of this stuff before posting it and letting fly with your accusations? I'm done. ZarhanFastfire (talk) 04:46, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

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Is it significant enough to mention? A source. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 19:30, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

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