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"Children with AS... have been colloquially called "little professors". Is the source really true?[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome#Speech_and_language

"Children with AS may have an unusually sophisticated vocabulary at a young age and have been colloquially called "little professors"". When I looked at the source, the source claims that Hans Asperger called the children he studied "little professors". But if the formal diagnostic criteria for Asperger syndrome didn't even exist yet at that time, is it possible that we could claim that they had AS? ETA: I looked up the wrong source.

Additionally, it is disputed whether Asperger himself even made that claim. It might have been from the Swedish psychologist Chris Gillberg, written in the book "In a Different Key" https://books.google.com/books/about/In_a_Different_Key.html?id=sdusCAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button#v=onepage&q=%22little%20professors%22&f=false

Even then, this describes the people that Asperger studied, and not people that have been formally diagnosed with AS.

Ylevental (talk) 22:43, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

The last statement of your argument is utter crap, and quite possibly the most fatuous argument I have yet seen in a decade on WP. That the original cohort of patients studied by Hans Asperger did not have Asperger's because he hadn't yet named the condition? Thank Salk that you are not yourself an epidemiologist, or we'd all be dead. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:18, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Not what I said. We cannot claim that all or even the vast majority of them would meet the criteria for AS, because the criteria was developed much later after his study, and was most likely not entirely based on his study. Ylevental (talk) 23:52, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
In all honesty, there is no reason to remove the 'little professors' quote. It is sourced, and yes, they had AS, just because he hadn't named it yet is hardly a reason. I'm going to revert it back unless we get consensus to go the other way. Dbrodbeck (talk) 23:17, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
In all honesty though, right from the article itself, it states "Fifty years later, several standardizations of AS as a diagnosis were tentatively proposed, many of which diverge significantly from Asperger's original work." From what I know, the "little professors" claim allegedly only applied to four children that he studied. And looking at the source for the diverging claim, it says only "Sixty-eight percent of (Asperger's) sample met ICD-10 criteria for AS". Even so, the converse may be much lower.
And then we would have to decide whether to include the "In a Different Key" reference. Ylevental (talk) 23:52, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Popular press sources use that language. Am not seeing professional sources using it though. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:23, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
To be honest, I remember that, but the source currently linked is a professional source. Maybe we could replace it with a popular press source if it is okay? Ylevental (talk) 13:57, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

I created this a long time ago, and to begin with, when I looked for the article a long time ago, I stumbled on the wrong article online and built my assertion on that. I apologize for that, and could only find it at my local library.

Now that I have found the right article, on page 774, it says "Speech quality frequently is noted to be pedantic, and such children often colloquially are referred to as 'little professors'." Proof (fourth sentence) Ylevental (talk) 18:25, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Unable to see that ref. Would need a good statement for "often" but regardless often is not really needed. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:18, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
Okay then, if you say so. Here is the file on Wikimedia Commons. But the article might be also saying only the children with AS who also have sophisticated vocabulary are called little professors, so I edited it to reflect that. Ylevental (talk) 16:15, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Notable people with Asperger’s?[edit]

Would this be a good addition? If so, then consider listing late science fiction writer Kage Baker – see here by her sister Kathleen, 2nd paragraph. – Tintazul msg 17:14, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

No. See WP:MEDMOS. Jytdog (talk) 22:01, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
A previous article, which was a list of people on the spectrum, was deleted per WP:COATRACK. Put simply, no, that is not a good idea. Patient Zerotalk 09:54, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Odd question, but where can I find the full text of McPartland J, Klin A (2006). "Asperger's syndrome"?[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome#cite_note-McPart2006-3

For this source, two links are provided. The first one leads to an error message, and the second one leads to the article abstract, but then the "full text link" does not work. I am asking because in addition to wanting to understand the "little professors" claim better, I see that this source is highly cited in the article. Does anyone have access to this article? I just want to verify some claims, and for anyone to have the ability to access the source.

Ylevental (talk) 05:40, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

The journal stopped publishing in 2006, per the NLM entry here. To get the full text you would have to request it via interlibrary loan through your local library. Jytdog (talk) 06:53, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
I have found the article at my library Ylevental (talk) 18:21, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Link[edit]

This is not closely enough related to deserve a link at the beginning of the article "For the South Park episode, see Ass Burgers." Ie it is undue weight IMO. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 07:13, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Asperger's Syndrome is many times referred to as a "relationship disorder" characterized by the lack of empathy and the inherent inability of the AS person to put themselves "in another's shoes" and read emotional and social non-verbal (and many times verbal) cues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brandiamelia (talkcontribs) 22:09, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2017[edit]

Please change "As a milder autism spectrum disorder (ASD), it differs from other ASDs by relatively normal language and intelligence.[2]" to "According to the ICD-10, it differs from autism primarily in the fact that there is no general delay or retardation in language or in cognitive development"

because the current text is factually inaccurate. Although the correct source has been given, (The ICD-10 F84 on Pervasive Developmental Disorders, reference[2] in the original article), the diagnostic criteria for Asperger's Syndrome have been incorrectly summarized.

According to the source [2}, a diagnosis of Autism rather than Asperger's must be given if you had delayed speech development i.e. that you were slow to learn to speak when you were a child, but this has nothing to do with a person's current abilities. It is perfectly possible to have excellent language skills as an adult and still have a diagnosis of Autism rather Asperger's. The original text implies that people with Asperger's, by definition, have better language skills than those diagnosed with other ASDs, but this is not the case.

The original text states that people with Asperger's differ from those with other ASDs because they are of "relatively normal .... intelligence". It is possible to have a different ASD and still be of "relatively normal... intelligence". There is no upper IQ limit for a diagnosis of autism, this can be verified by referring to the quoted source (reference 2).

I would like to list the following as my reliable source - The ICD-10 F84 Pervasive Developmental Disorders [1] 217.45.100.164 (talk) 00:19, 7 March 2017 (UTC) 217.45.100.164 (talk) 00:19, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

"by relatively normal language and intelligence" means the same as "there is no general delay or retardation in language or in cognitive development" but is in easier to understand language. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:18, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

References

Related characterizations and words[edit]

The first two sentences of Nerd are:

A nerd is a person seen as overly intellectual, obsessive, or lacking social skills. Such a person may spend inordinate amounts of time on unpopular, little known, or non-mainstream activities, which are generally either highly technical, abstract, or relating to topics of fiction or fantasy, to the exclusion of more mainstream activities.

It may be in the interest of public understanding to reference words such as "nerd" that have popular definitions similar to the diagnostic criteria for Asperger syndrome, given that such words are more broadly understood.

104.228.101.152 (talk) 21:47, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

I think that would fall under synthesis unless reliable sources have made the same connection. DonIago (talk) 16:34, 15 May 2017 (UTC)