Talk:Aspirator (entomology)

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This is a hoax. Article was voted on and deleted, now similar plausible untrue article has been put back by an anonymous user. What to do now?Quill 22:16, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Replaced with redir to poodle hybrid to hopefully discourage in the future. Elf | Talk 21:18, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I don't think that pooter is a meaning for "a person who farts". A pooter is a small oral vacuum device that is used to pick up small crustaceans or creatures. I believe that this is vandalism and i have edited it out.

This really is an actual device - researchers in the UK and Austrlaia at least invariably call it a pooter. I work in a genetics lab, with flies, and have used one for years... Americans usually call it an aspirator (I guess they think that sounds more professional), but it's actually been called a pooter (with the associated verb 'to poot') in peer-reviewed scientific publications. Bar fly high 23:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

The use of the device is common in the UK. Anyone studying biology at highschool will most likely have made a simple pooter for collection of invertebrates in leaf litter etc. [[user:jimjamjak]] (talk) 11:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Semi Protection Request

This article should be semi-protected because it gets vandalized a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BewarePETeacher (talk • contribs) 00:41, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Redirect

It would probably be a good idea to redirect the article to aspirator because it appears a pooter is much more commonly referred to as an aspirator. But still, this article might be a hoax. It has been nominated for deletion before. Atterion(Talk|Contribs) 17:09, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I think this is a cross-cultural issue. In US English it's an aspirator. Elsewhere it's a pooter. Same thing, mind you, but aspirator can also mean several other things, whereas pooter cannot - well, not really. So I prefer the status quo. Naturenet | Talk 07:53, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Actually, there's a whole lot of "fart" references to "pooter", and the interesting thing is that a Google search using "pooter -fart" to remove those hits does not make a difference and suddenly pop up aspirator hits. As a matter of fact, the only way I got pooter to get me aspirator hits was by using "pooter aspirator" as my search term, and the top results hits were this WP article #1, followed by etsy.com (somebody selling something), followed by a .com site that called it an aspirator and sold them, and then not a US site, but an Australian one, was the first instance of calling a pooter a pooter (as it were). At the very least, then, the "cross-cultural" argument is a fabrication, or just what everybody thinks without any objective truth. Therefore, if the proper title of the item is an aspirator, it should be called that, and if it therefore needs a dab for multiple meanings, so it needs a dab. MSJapan (talk) 05:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, it's a real surname (I found a "de Pooter"), and also that of the main character/writer (Charles Pooter) in The Diary of a Nobody, which seems to be a more researched topic than an aspirator gun. So perhaps the wrong end of the stick is what we have here; I would think on the basis of notability, the book trumps the item. I think that we should therefore change this to "aspirator gun" and create a semi-pro'd dab page to deal with the slang and other uses of the word. MSJapan (talk) 05:37, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

At school in the UK we were taught about this device in Biology lessons (though I don't think we ever actually used one). It was referred to exclusively, including by textbooks, as a pooter. I'd never heard the term "aspirator" in this context until reading this page. 46.65.127.58 (talk) 00:11, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

I vote for something like "Aspirator (entomology)" as the main title, rather than "Aspirator gun", with "pooter" as a redirect. A Google Scholar search for "Aspirator gun", excluding patents, yields only ~20 hits, including some in medical devices. With patents included (~80 hits), "aspirator gun" also refers to devices in textile machinery. This article (European, mind you) implies Aspirator guns are mechanical elaborations of the simple lung-powered aspirators. Here's why I think Pooter should not be the main title: A simple google search for "insect aspirator" yields over 100,000 hits, while "insect pooter" yields only 15,000. Similarly, a Google Scholar search for "aspirator" "entomology" yields over 4,500 citations, while one for "pooter" "entomology" (using quotes to restrict Google from similar words like Potter) yields only 370 hits. Similar results occur for "insect pooter" etc. These are quantitative measures of the relative usage of the terms in general AND professional publications, which I'm sure contains some inherent bias, but are better than individual perceptions about what the device is "normally" called. --Animalparty-- (talk) 07:53, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and moved Pooter to Aspirator (entomology). American English or not, Aspirator is much more widely used in books, journals, and other reliable sources. This article still appears quite WP:OR, and needs more grounding in published sources. --Animalparty-- (talk) 03:55, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

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