Talk:Association football

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Q: I've never heard of this sport being called "Association football".
A: The term "association football" is the original name for the sport. However, its usage has diminished in recent years, with different cultures developing their own word(s) for the sport. Even the word "soccer" derives from the -soc- in "association".
Q: Why not just "Football"?
A: This is because there are several sports that are known as football in different countries. For example, in the United States, American football is primarily referred to as "football", while the same is true of Gaelic football in Ireland, Canadian football in Canada, Rugby union in New Zealand, and Rugby league or Australian rules football in Australia. The title "association football" avoids any ambiguity over which code of football is being referred to, and also removes the potential for accusations of bias towards any particular code. Meanwhile, the Football page is a "broad-concept article", providing a general overview of all of the sports named "football".
Q: Why not "Soccer" then?
A: In the United Kingdom, the usage of the term "soccer", a term which originated in South East England, is sometimes viewed as being derogatory, or an example of American culture being forced onto the rest of the world. Therefore, although the word "soccer" would be an unambiguous title for this article, there would be discontent from a large number of people who object to their word for the sport being ignored. Others point to "soccer" being the most widely used name for the sport in English-speaking nations—however the statistics for this are not readily available or are confusing (e.g. India is the largest country with English as an official language and refers to the game as "football", but English is not the primary language for most Indians) and others where countries change their official name for the sport (as Australia have done by now referring to the sport as "football", renaming Soccer Australia to Football Federation Australia and changing the local associations' names to reflect this, whilst the general populace refer to the game as "soccer").
Q: What about "Football (soccer)"?
A: On Wikipedia, the placing of a word in parentheses in the title of an article is used as a method of disambiguation, with the parenthesised word usually being a set of which the article's subject is a part. Therefore, the title "Football (soccer)" implies that football is a form of soccer, which is not the case.
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India?[edit]

I can not understand the relevance of the India Football information given in the article. I find it too focused on an otherwise generalistic article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eltor0pt (talkcontribs) 15:21, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

  • I agree with that. Never noticed before. Paragraph removed. Cls14 (talk) 08:46, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

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Is there any country where this sport is called "Association football"?[edit]

If so, we should list those countries in the name section. If not, then it is crucial that we mention this. I'm not here to argue about the name of the article, but people reading the article should be able to get a realistic representation of this sport's name and that the current title reflects more a technicality in Wikipedia than widespread acceptance. I think this is definitely noteworthy. Hamsterlopithecus (talk) 18:03, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

It's called Association Football in every English speaking country. We're not going to list them. Please read the discussions on the name of the sport from the previous talk pages :-) Cls14 (talk) 21:27, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
What title would you recommend, Hamster? Neither "football" nor "soccer" predominates in any significant way, so "association football" - which is the official name for the sport in every country that plays it - is the only viable title. – PeeJay 23:36, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
He's not saying to change the title, just asking if the sport is commonly known as "association football" in any English-speaking countries. I do agree with him that the article should note that the name is not used commonly. Calidum ¤ 04:57, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Is the opening sentence of the article not clear enough? "Association football, more commonly known as football or soccer" Cls14 (talk) 19:46, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
No it is not clear. My original question was: "Is there any country in the world where it is called Association football?". Maybe we should explain: "Although technically called association football this name is not used to refer to the sport in any country". Unless this statement is not true. If that is the case, which countries are the exception? Also, as I said in my first comment, I am NOT here to try to change the title of the article but just to make the issue known to a casual reader. One shouldn't have to dig into the wiki talk pages to discern what is real information and what is the aftermath of a big wikipedia argument on technicalities. Hamsterlopithecus (talk) 18:34, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
"I am NOT here to try to change the title of the article" -- then what on earth are you doing here? Jmorrison230582 (talk) 05:31, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
From what he wrote, he wants the countries that call it "association football" to be itemize in a list. In other words, he seems to want a phrase like "No country in the world calls it association football." I assume he wants it immediately before "Within the English-speaking world, association football is now usually called". I'm just guessing. I don't think it's necessary though. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:46, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
His question was "Is there any country where this sport is called "association football"?" The answer is still yes. It's called Association Football in many countries, it's just not commonly known as it there. Cls14 (talk) 07:38, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
In German spoken countries (Germany, Austria, German part of Switzerland) there is it called "Football" (if they are meaning kinds of rugby, the say "American Football"). But I presume that "Association Football" is the correct name in English (in order to be differential to other broadly similar kinds of football)... --213.225.38.186 (talk) 14:23, 28 November 2016 (UTC).
The game is called "Association football" in all the countries that play it, simply because that is the name of the game rules that it is played by and that is also why most or all the 'football' clubs have 'association football' in their titles or official documents. So the answers is ALL of them do. They do this to disambiguate themselves from people who play or follow Rugby football, which confusingly is also often just called 'football' by it's players and followers.
The official name of the game is "Association football" but most people who play or follow it will call it just 'football' or 'soccer'.
BTW, it is called "association football" because the rules of the game were drawn up by The Football Association (FA) back in the nineteenth century.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.173.13 (talk) 17:58, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Draft outline[edit]

There is a draft for a outline of this article at Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of association football. There's also a RM request on the talk page for moving it to draftspace if anyone is interested. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:35, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2016[edit]

The first line of the "History" section says that "cuju ... is the earliest form of football for which there is scientific evidence." Instead of "scientific evidence," it should be "historical evidence." The FIFA article doesn't mention any use of scientific or archaeological techniques to determine that cuju was a sport. There are only historical records that describe cuju such that we know that it was similar activity to football.

jonyen (talk) 18:05, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template.  B E C K Y S A Y L E 03:38, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2016[edit]

ADD footie to the nicknames section as many people around the world refer to it by that name. 71.231.63.216 (talk) 00:37, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- Dane talk 07:48, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2016[edit]

People have messed with the information and I would like to change it so it will be fixed. I know a very good amount of info. on the topic of soccer. Also I used to play college soccer for the Maryland University team down in College Park,Maryland Prof.John Jackson (talk) 16:05, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Favonian (talk) 16:09, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Just a project for class[edit]

I believe each fact is cited, and in addition I'm very impressed by the amount of citations. I never would have thought it necessary for something as simple as soccer. Since this is a general, introductory page, I don't believe that any of the information is outdated. That being said, I am not up to date with all of the various new rules and regulations FIFA and UEFA routinely come out with. Frankquaranta (talk) 04:25, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2017[edit]

I wish to edit wikipedia because you forgot to write player's names, which are very important. You have also forgot to write some of the best players in the world like Ronaldo (the best player in the world) and Messi (the second) 74.79.254.103 (talk) 23:29, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. JTP (talkcontribs) 23:35, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Further comment to the underlying request: adding player names. I suspect that we could link to articles in the "Players, equipment, and officials" section. There are many players who were No. 1 in the world at one point and it would imply recentism to list Ronaldo over all of them. We could discuss how the Ballon d'Or is awarded and link to the article. Messi won more often, however we would need to discuss wording and seek consensus before adding something that would alter the article so significantly. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:29, 6 April 2017 (UTC)