Talk:Assyrian people

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Warning: Rules for this page[edit]

Re-posting this. Fut.Perf. 18:34, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

This article has been a cesspit of some of the most ridiculous ethnic tendentious editing for years and years, from all sides of this sorry mess of an ideological conflict. This needs to stop. I will therefore be applying a new set of administrative rules here, with a zero tolerance approach to tendentious editing:

  1. Any editor making substantial content changes in the article that have the potential of being contentious, without discussing and explaining them on the talkpage beforehand, will be blocked.
  2. Any editor reverting another editor without explaining the need for the revert on the talkpage beforehand (with the exception of cases of plain and obvious vandalism), will be blocked.
  3. Any editor calling another's edits "vandalism" when they are not will be blocked.
  4. Any editor who makes edits in the article that are obviously aimed at giving preferential treatment to one of the ideological parties or terminological preferences involved (pro-"Assyrian", pro-"Aramaean" etc.) or at bolstering up historical claims associated with such preferences, will be blocked.
  5. Any editor misusing the talkpage for any form of argument about which of these ideological positions is "correct" or about his own opinions regarding their ethnic identity, will be blocked. The only thing everybody is expected to use the talkpage for is to discuss how this group and its history are described in high-quality, neutral reliable sources, and how the article should be changed so that it reflects those sources.

Please pay special attention to this last point, as pretty much everybody has been abusing the talkpages for those kind of arguments in the past.

Any such blocks will be imposed immediately, without further individual warnings, for periods no shorter than two weeks on a first offence, and regardless of whether an editor is experienced or new. You have been warned.

That said, the article clearly needs to change, as it is currently quite obviously written from a tendentious perspective. To get the ball rolling, I will myself make a start by entirely removing the "Assyrian continuity" section, which appears to be one of the most tendentious bits and whose sourcing is abysmal. This is a somewhat uncommon thing for an administrator to do, but given the special history of this article and the long-term well-documented inability of its habitual editors to maintain a constructive and encyclopedic editing debate on this topic, I believe it is justified and will not change my status as an uninvolved and neutral administrator. (Which means I also reserve the right to block editors should they reinsert it, as I would consider such an edit a clear violation of principle 4 above. Material about the idea of an "Assyrian continuity" may ultimately be reincluded, if and when the overall NPOV profile of the article has been fixed and a policy-based WP:CONSENSUS for the appropriateness of such material has been established; not earlier.) Fut.Perf. 09:30, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

@Future Perfect at Sunrise: Can I get an explanation of why the section "Legends Mythology used as historical evidence to promote notions of Assyrian Continuity" was collapsed?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Assyrian_people#Legends.2FMythology_used_as_historical_evidence_to_promote_notions_of_Assyrian_Continuity
The explanation given does not make any sense...."another thread veering off into exchange of personal ideological talking points." it could not of possible been the case, since there was only my single post in the section. It could not have been an "exchange" nor "veering off", and the rest of the edit was in complete compliance with the Rules.

Sr 76 (talk) 13:27, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Gallery, again[edit]

I'm going to revert this [1] re-addition of the old "gallery" of people in the infobox. Please be reminded of the RfC back in late 2015 that led to an overall deprecation of such galleries, now mentioned in the WP:MOS under WP:NOETHNICGALLERIES. Fut.Perf. 16:15, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2017[edit]

In the section: Pre-Christian history the second paragraph begins: The history of Assyria begins with the formation of the city of Ashur

I believe that the link should be to the page "Assur", though the link text seems correct. Wanderer792 (talk) 08:11, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template.  B E C K Y S A Y L E 16:34, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Looks like this has been declined. Can someone else please try following the current link and confirm that it doesn't make sense as it stands? The text is about a city, and links to a page about a person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wanderer792 (talkcontribs) 05:53, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

  • Yes check.svg Done, thanks for pointing it out and sorry it wasn't acted on immediately. Seems pretty obvious to me. Fut.Perf. 05:56, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks - much appreciated. No worries. Wanderer792 (talk) 23:34, 18 February 2017 (UTC)