Talk:Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder

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Hoping To Add And Update Page[edit]

Dear Fellow Editors,

I am looking to copy edit, add the sections Neurofeedback, as well as Positive Thinking and Mentorship in Schools (last heading all as one idea), which would be under the Management section of Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (section). I understand that these ideas are mentioned briefly under Behavioral therapy, but I feel they add to the medical information presented and should be talked about due to significance. I hope that it would also benefit readers so they can quickly obtain that information. I have several sources that add credible information, but may be hard for others to access due to journal subscriptions. I welcome any recommendations that add to the two topics or anything that needs to added or updated to the page. Based on the response I will be more than happy to add the current sources I have found. my edit.

--Thanks Again-- Devon Cosgrove (talk . contribs). 8:34, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

@Devon Cosgrove: perhaps you could first list your sources here, so other editors could help you understand how much WP:WEIGHT they might be given in the article. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:09, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
@SandyGeorgia: I have compiled a list of sources that I believe meet the WP:WEIGHT required for this article. I now would like to actually do Neurofeedback and, a small section on the effect ADHD has on gender (Male/Female). Let me know how it looks. Devon Cosgrove (talk . contribs). 10:40, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Hansen, Cheri, et al. “Adhd Boys in Young Adulthood: Psychosocial Adjustment.” Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, vol. 38, no. 2, 1999, pp. 165–171.
Levy, Florence, et al. “Gender Differences in Adhd Subtype Comorbidity.” Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, vol. 44, no. 4, 2005, pp. 368–376.
Brian W. Graetz, et al. “Are Adhd Gender Patterns Moderated by Sample Source?” Journal of Attention Disorders, vol. 10, no. 1, 2006, pp. 36–43., doi:10.1177/1087054705286055.
Quinn, Patricia O. “Treating Adolescent Girls and Women with Adhd: Gender-Specific Issues.” Journal of Clinical Psychology, vol. 61, no. 5, 2005, pp. 579–587.
Bálint S, et al. “Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (Adhd): Gender- and Age-Related Differences in Neurocognition.” Psychological Medicine, vol. 39, no. 08, 2009, pp. 1337–1337., doi:10.1017/S0033291708004236.
Pahlevanian, Aliakbar, et al. “Neurofeedback Associated with Neurocognitive-Rehabilitation Training on Children with Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (Adhd).” International Journal of Mental Health and Addiction, vol. 15, no. 1, 2017, pp. 100–109., doi:10.1007/s11469-015-9621-7.
Hammond, D. Corydon. “What Is Neurofeedback?” Journal of Neurotherapy, vol. 10, no. 4, 2007, pp. 25–36.
Irene W. Gaskins, and Jonathan Baron. “Teaching Poor Readers to Cope with Maladaptive Cognitive Styles : A Training Program.” Journal of Learning Disabilities, vol. 18, no. 7, 1985, pp. 390–394., doi:10.1177/002221948501800704.
  • @Devon Cosgrove:, if you can add PMID (search Pubmed) for each article, it will be much easier for others to check them. You also might employ the cite template (see any citation in the article now for how these citations should be formatted for others to be able to review them). Without PMIDs, we have to go to Pubmed ourselves to check each of your sources to see if they are secondary reviews. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:06, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
  • @Devon Cosgrove: as but one example, PMID 15782084 is a 2005 source, and it is a primary study, so is unlikely to be useful in this article or to meet WP:MEDRS. All of your sources should have a PMID so they can be similarly checked. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:08, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
If your intent is to write on Neurofeedback and ADHD, you can find sources by going to PubMed, entering ADHD neurofeedback in the search field, and then on the left-hand side of the page, restricting your search to Reviews within the last five years. That will return things like PMID 29445867 and PMID 27238063 (which states that "Evidence from well-controlled trials with probably blinded outcomes currently fails to support neurofeedback as an effective treatment for ADHD," so that may be about what can be added to the article (replacing the outdated statement about neurofeedback that is there now).
Also, because there is not good evidence for neurofeedback in the treatment of ADHD, that is probably about all that can be said in this article, and the topic can be explored in more depth at the sub-article, Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder management. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:17, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Also, Devon, looking at your User:Devon Cosgrove/sandbox, your proposed text does not account for how we use Wikilinks on Wikipedia. Much of what you are writing is a description of what neurofeedback is, and that is covered at the article on neurofeedback, and not necessarily repeated in other articles. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:22, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
@SandyGeorgia: I understand that PubMed is an effective way to quickly link sources, I understand it is easier to link to PubMed for many, but most of my sources should be available in reputable libraries, archives, or collections wich is harder but accepted.[[1]] I understand it makes it difficult for a quick analysis, but a lot of the texts were not readily available and took me time to obtain them. In terms of out of date sources I understand the 1980s study, but the oldest of my studies are well within early 2000s. In my sandbox I have noted that some sources currently in use have dates from 2006, which I would assume are then similarly out of date. You can correct me if I am wrong, but I think that Neurofeedback deserve at least a little more information on the page. The quote from the PMID 29445867 study was done in 2016, but the other source which was done in 2018 PMID 27238063, comments something slightly different: ("Compared to non-active control treatments, NF appears to have more durable treatment effects, for at least 6 months following treatment. More studies are needed for a properly powered comparison of follow-up effects between NF and active treatments and to further control for non-specific effects."). Even though it is not an outright change, it is suggesting that more reputable studies are being done and are looking effective.
- I think this has potential to be mentioned further so it can inform more, just as I had hoped to similarly add more about supportive education and family treatments.I stated earlier I would hope to included or add somewhere a small section on how ADHD may affect the genders (Male/Female). I am not sure how you felt about it, since it was not specifically mentioned. However, at this point it is almost too late in the game for me to do any of these changes mentioned, based on my class.
- In the end I would like to do some copyediting instead under the Management section. It looks like under Mangament, the Medication section specifically pushes Ritalin. It looks to be only referring to ADHD drug makeups that are associated with (Methylphenidate) which is part of Ritalin. While there are other varieties ("phenethylamine used in drugs like Adderall. Lisdexamfetamine in Vyvanse. Dextroamphetamine used in Concerta"). I would like to suggested a new picture too, which is in my sandbox, swapping out the Ritalin one (it is now up if you want to check it out on my sandbox). It might be confusing, my notes that is, but I hope they make enough sense to understand my edits and jotted down ideas. Thanks, Devon Cosgrove (talk. contribs). 14:43, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Devon Cosgrove my aim was to give you some ideas to help assure that your work to add text to this article would pay off in a contribution that could be kept; I have little interest in arguing over how I might best help your effort, and will let you decide that with the other regular followers of this page. Perhaps they are interested in looking up each source themselves to determine if you are using sources correctly; I'm sorry, I don't have that much free time myself. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:16, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi, SandyGeorgia I understand completely. My hope was to try not to attack you in any way, and I apologize if it came off that way. I was hoping to make edits and felt under pressure to do so. I think at this point I will copyedit some for basic wording and edit the Ritalin part. Once again my apologize if I offended you. User:Devon Cosgrove (Talk) 21:18, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
No need, I did not feel attacked :) I was hoping to help you understand the importance of sourcing, so that your edits could be retained, but it was taking more time than I had. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 12:55, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Tourette syndrome[edit]

The CDC says 1% of children with ADHD have Tourette syndrome. [2] That's the same as the prevalance for TS generally. This article says:

That text is not supported by the cited source, and is there not a higher quality, recent secondary review on this at any rate? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:08, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

It is a misinterpretation of the user who added this here, Revision as of 05:23, 6 November 2013. What is true is the opposite. This is the version of the source, which he consulted in November 2013 [3].
I'm going to remove it, there's no reason for the error to remain on the page. --BallenaBlanca 🐳 ♂ (Talk) 23:42, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, BB ... I was wondering if the world had changed overnight :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:50, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Yikes, that text stood for five years, and snuck in two days after I cleaned up some citations, and then got lost in some edit warring. And then I edited again a few weeks later and never even saw that it had snuck in and was not reverted. Amazing that no one caught that. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:10, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

added results of May 2018 Cochrane Review: please review (feedback greatly appreciated)[edit]

I would appreciate some feedback on my edit, or if you have any other suggestions on how to use this review. The PMID is not out yet, I added the citation with the DOI.

Thank you! JenOttawa (talk) 01:18, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Summarized it a little further but looks good. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:49, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

attention deficit dis-Instruction[edit]

attention-deficit-dis-instruction is a branch of ADHD were the effected can not obey simple instructions it appears you still do not possess the same instincts I do and when you possess the same instincts come and face me then so you just could not do it could not obey instructions and this is how you come to me without confidence.2001:558:6012:1B:6534:F271:5C4:FA60 (talk) 14:50, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Just suspicious[edit]

"Underdosing of stimulants can occur and result in a lack of response or later loss of effectiveness.[171] This is particularly common in adolescents and adults as approved dosing is based on school-aged children, causing some practitioners to use weight based or benefit based off-label dosing instead.[172][173][174]"

This part is suspicious cause I saw there were maximum daily doses of stimulants for adults written in labels of respective medications recently updated and approved by the FDA in the DailyMed website. I don't have time to read the citations supporting that said part above, therefore I would like to raise my suspicion here. Thanks. --It's gonna be awesome!Talk♬ 19:37, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 29 June 2018[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Not moved. There is a clear absence of consensus for the proposed move. bd2412 T 03:41, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Attention deficit hyperactivity disorderAttention-deficit hyperactivity disorder – The spelling "attention deficit hyperactivity disorder" is confusing (attention disorder of deficit hyperactivity?). Wipur (talk) 13:36, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). –Ammarpad (talk) 18:11, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Not always seen with a hyphen, better discuss first. JE98 (talk) 15:58, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
    Nothing is "always" seen with a hyphen. That's not our standard.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  18:29, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Support per MOS:HYPHEN. This is a hyperactivity disorder involving an attention deficit, which serves as a compound adjective in the title. It is not a deficit hyperactivity disorder about attention, or an attention disorder of deficit hyperactivies, or anything else. Hyphens exists for a reason (well several, but in this context just one: joining parts of a compound modifier). It can be found without the hyphen, but in styles that drop hyphens from nearly everything. Wikipedia is not written in that style.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  18:29, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:NCMED. Both ICD10 and 11 [4] use "Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder", although recent medical journal articles are mixed. jamacfarlane (talk) 23:30, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose per ICD. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:24, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Support per generally accepted English orthography. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:57, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose per ICD and I'm assuming it's not the spelling but the etymology of the word you're stating as the case. If you want to get into semantics, it's presented as attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder in DSM-5. – TheGridExe (talk) 20:43, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.