Talk:August 2025 White House multilateral meeting on Ukraine

White House multilateral meeting on Ukraine
*August 2025 European-US summit*
White House multilateral meeting on Ukraine; August 2025 European-US summit
	Ursula von der Leyen, Keir Starmer, Alexander Stubb, Volodymyr Zelensky, Donald Trump, Emmanuel Macron, Giorgia Meloni, Friedrich Merz, Mark Rutte (pictured L-R)
Host country	United States
Date	August 18, 2025
City	Washington, US-DC
Venue	White House
Participants	(in diplomatic protocol order): Donald Trump; Alexander Stubb ; Emmanuel Macron; Friedrich Merz ; Giorgia Meloni; Volodymyr Zelenskyy ; Keir Starmer ; Mark Rutte ; Ursula von der Leyen ;
Chair	Donald J. Trump
President	President of the US
Follows	inaugural
Key points
	§ Aftermath of the Russia-US summit; § Security guarantees for Ukraine; Russia-Ukraine or/and Russia-Ukraine-US summit/s possibility; Note: ^ According to flags precedence order from left to right in the family photo (above). Pictured leaders line-up order of precedence, if different, is in superscript. ;

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Hat note

Can someone hat note this article in the "2025 Trump–Zelenskyy Oval Office meeting" article? Summer moose (talk) 06:36, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done Kaihsu (talk) 19:25, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rename request to 'August 2025 White House Multilateral Meeting on Ukraine'

It is not broadly referred to as a European-White House crisis meeting by journalistic sources, but rather as a multilateral meeting regarding Ukraine. Should we change the article title to "August 2025 White House Multilateral Meeting on Ukraine"? It seems more straightforward and to the point. Rshah1010 (talk) 06:45, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I thought some editor sure would make an article about the August Trump-Zelenskyy meeting, but it seems that no one has done this. And if that article is not created, I think that this article should be about both meetings, first Zelensky-Trump, then EU etc-Trump. And in that case we would think of a new name again. So I think it is better to wait a bit before changing the name of this article, to see where it is going. Lova Falk (talk) 07:28, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

PS I have now started adding information about Trump-Zelenskyy meeting, as it seems that there will be no such article. Lova Falk (talk) 08:35, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agree --Perohanych (talk) 13:58, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support, but am personally against adding "August" in the front, seems like too much of a disambiguation. Cheers! Johnson524

'White House Multilateral meeting on Ukraine, August 2025' ? --Perohanych (talk) 21:06, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agree Having begun the ur-article 10,000 years ago, I'd be fine with "August 2025 Multilaterial Summit on Ukraine", which is a mouthful that covers all the bases. And AFAIK this unprecedented summit was called because of a summit. What was the advance planning? Were schedules cleared? Etc. 14:18, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

Support or similar. The basis of the title seems to be just the BBC description of what it "amounts" to. For a potential shorter version, I think "White House" would a more specific clarifier to keep than "August" Placeholderer (talk) 17:36, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It would be better to call it Minsk Agreements 3, as this reflects their true nature 91.210.250.92 (talk) 18:07, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, Washington D.C. is not Minsk. --Paju / Paju (talk) 15:25, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is better but... the name is still a bit inaccurate. More than one meeting was held in Washington D.C., and negotiations also took place outside the White House. E.g. the European leaders met first in the Embassy of Ukraine, Washington, D.C. (ref 1, 2). At least the photos taken inside the Embassy of UA should be clearly marked, that these were not from the White House. I'll attach couple of clarifying photos below. In the second photo one can see the texts of the poster behind: 'Embassy of Ukraine in USA' both in Ukrainian and English. And you can see Ukrainian paintings, e.g. Portrait of Taras Shevchenko. You cannot find such a poster or such paintings inside the White House. Thus, several photos in the linked Commons directory were actually were taken inside the UA embassy! --Paju / Paju (talk) 15:25, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch. It's a summit with a lot of moving parts! kencf0618 (talk) 16:40, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article focuses exclusively on the multilateral meeting, rather than on the events that preceded it 91.210.250.92 (talk) 22:03, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Embassy of Ukraine, Washington, D.C. where the European leaders met before heading to the White House.
Presidents Zelenskyy, Stubb (who was called as 'powerful young man' by Trump) and von der Leyen discussing; location: the Embassy of Ukraine, Washington.

Well, yeah. Prologue, then the main event. EU photos of leaders talking, Embassy of Ukraine photos of leaders talking, No. 10 photos of people talking, White House photos of... Get my drift? kencf0618 (talk) 05:30, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So what's the status of this? The article was moved to something else without discussion and now has an incorrect dash, but I figure it doesn't make sense to fix that and keep the existing title when we could just resolve the RM Placeholderer (talk) 09:53, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done; though August 2025 White House summit on Ukraine would be even better. Kaihsu (talk) 19:26, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hot Line & Schedules

The Moscow–Washington hotline is conspicuous by its absence; a telephone has never been a part of it. Never. Secondly, there has never been such a concentration of chief executive power at a working summit (itself unusual) in Washington, D.C. By office five heads of state and five heads of Government, as well as the heads of the NATO and the EU, had cleared their schedules for this. The timeline of the contingency planning of which is artfully vague... We won't have to wait for journalists and memoirs, however. Schedules are published the home office; schedules are changed. 1) Should the hot line be mentioned, albeit parenthetically? 2) How do we handle WP:OR and WP:Synth? kencf0618 (talk) 17:12, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. My query on their talk page: https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8F:%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8F_%D0%B7%D1%83%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D1%96%D1%87_%D1%83_%D0%91%D1%96%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%83_%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%96_%D1%89%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B8_(%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%8C_2025)#%D0%A0%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4_%D0%97%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%B7_2025-08-01_%D0%BF%D0%BE_2025-08-19 kencf0618 (talk) 20:24, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Likewise Finland. https://fi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Keskustelu%3AWashingtonin_Ukraina-neuvottelut_18._elokuuta_2025#Presidentti_Stubbin_ohjelma_1.8.2025_%E2%80%93_19.8.2025 kencf0618 (talk) 20:43, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ECP edit request on 7 October 2025

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91.122.21.179 (talk) 17:27, 7 October 2025 (UTC) To editor AlphaBetaGamma: renewing request: my partial block doesn't alter diplomatic protocol. Thank you 91.122.21.179 (talk) 16:45, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please, replace current infobox with an updated one. 78.81.123.235 (talk) 04:31, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Bowler the Carmine: you probably not unwittingly closed unanswered request. Reopened. 91.122.21.179 (talk) 17:29, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Closed again. Since you are partially blocked, please submit a new edit request in a new section with this template. Bowler the Carmine | talk 17:32, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 7 October 2025

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~2025-30906-36 (talk) 08:31, 4 November 2025 (UTC) 91.122.21.179 (talk) 14:02, 27 October 2025 (UTC) 91.122.21.179 (talk) 17:50, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please, replace current infobox with an updated one.

To the bottom of the first paragraph of Meeting with Zelenskyy subsection of Background section add:

To the top of See also section add, while removing wiki link mentioned in the article:

References

^ Magramo, Kathleen; Kent, Lauren; Lister, Tim; Edwards, Christian; Chowdhury, Maureen; Sangal, Aditi; Hammond, Elise; Liptak, Kevin (19 August 2025). "Trump meets Zelensky and European leaders at White House". CNN. Retrieved 27 August 2025.
^ DOD News; Lopez, C. Todd (18 August 2025). "Trump, Zelenskyy, World Leaders Meet at White House to Negotiate Peace Deal". US Department of Defense. Retrieved 22 August 2025 – via defence.gov.

Question: is there a source for the president/chairman of the meeting? What is "in diplomatic protocol order"? Also, please read the close paraphrasing page, as your suggestion in "Background" could be a copyright breach. Alpha Beta Delta Lambda (talk) 09:00, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Alpha Beta Delta Lambda, thank you for a question. AFAIK, chair of the summit is its formal host. If summit is co-organized (I.e. June 2024 Ukraine peace summit), more then one are to be chairs (gender-neutral). Presiding over the sessions is a summit president. Both roles in case were clearly for the US president to fulfill.

As to the protocol (I added wikilink), order of precedence based on the picture could be two-fold: a) by flags from right to left (viewer's left-to-right); b) by distance from the host (center), while the one at his right hand is more privileged than one by his left-hand side. The leaders order in the current infobox - by their, not flags, position precedence in the line-up from viewer's left to right - does not not adhere to internationally recognized protocol.

Thank you. I hope, my answer could facilitate suggested update. 78.81.123.235 (talk) 15:31, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Partly done: I added the city, venue and chairperson. Please give a reliable source to the protocol order and a secondary source for the key point. Also, I feel that the addition is still a too close paraphrasing. Alpha Beta Delta Lambda (talk) 16:22, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Alpha Beta Delta Lambda, thanks again. Altered wording and added secondary source. Sources about listed order of precedence, IMHO, are just not needed, as the most reliable source is the family photo with flags pictured. Their sequencing is just a common knowledge from protocol (diplomacy). You can skip superscripts, but with the alternative reading of a line-up one can deduce, if the participants were placed by prepositioning, that only three of them were not promoted or demoted. Thank you for attention. 78.81.123.235 (talk) 21:16, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: You are partially blocked. This is no longer the correct template, as a different template is used for edit requests by partially blocked editors. AlphaBetaGamma (Talk/report any mistakes here) 03:14, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@IamChaos, thank you for amendment of the edit template. Just got out of block. With a temporary account now. ~2025-31700-35 (talk) 15:24, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@~2025-30906-36

Done Closing request D'Lisye (talk) 15:48, 8 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] According to flags precedence order from left to right in the family photo (above). Pictured leaders line-up order of precedence, if different, is in superscript.

[2] Magramo, Kathleen; Kent, Lauren; Lister, Tim; Edwards, Christian; Chowdhury, Maureen; Sangal, Aditi; Hammond, Elise; Liptak, Kevin (19 August 2025). "Trump meets Zelensky and European leaders at White House". CNN. Retrieved 27 August 2025.

[3] DOD News; Lopez, C. Todd (18 August 2025). "Trump, Zelenskyy, World Leaders Meet at White House to Negotiate Peace Deal". US Department of Defense. Retrieved 22 August 2025 – via defence.gov.

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