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History expansion[edit]

Does anyone else think this could be fleshed out a bit more? Some topics worth mentioning: Batavia mutineers, the first Europeans to take up permanent residence in Australia; Rum Rebellion, Australia's only military coup; the total number of convicts transported; difficulties of inland exploration (eg Burke and Wills expedition) and settlement; economic and demographic transformation that resulted from gold rushes; emergence of an Australian nationalism in the lead-up to Federation; Papua; effect of Great Depression; expansion of railway networks. - HappyWaldo (talk) 05:56, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

I would be wary of expansion given the guidance of WP:SUMMARYSTYLE. Of course this would be down to specific examples, and I would ask what each helps provide the reader with regards to a quick understanding of Australian history. Commenting on each of your specific topics: Batavia and the Rum Rebellion are interesting, but I don't think either merit coverage at this level (Batavia is not even well covered on our main History of Australia article, itself around 200% larger than recommended article length). Convict numbers are interesting, but I'm not sure a total is very useful, rather the numbers in very early settlements perhaps would be more enlightening. A rewording of the current gold rush sentence to provide the wider context would be useful, especially if it gave context to the Eureka Rebellion which at the moment reads as very out of place. A note about inland exploration would also fit in well there. I would prefer to leave pacific discussion of the development of nationalism out in favour of the current text's providing a timeline of events that demonstrate a development of nationalism through time. Papua I don't think merits mention here, nor Australia's other territories. As for a short mention of economic history, I'd think that would be useful, and prefer it to the current focus on political development such as mentioning the 1999 referendum (if it succeeded that'd be another matter) or the final sentence which effectively states that Australia maintains old relationships while forging new ones, which seems self-evident and unnotable. CMD (talk) 18:44, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Currently, the history section does not meet WP:IMGLOC due to images sandwiching text. I felt that the aboriginal art and the last post images were the most important, and that the other two represented a similar portion of history, and so were more expendable, but due to disagreement I'd like to know if other editors have opinions on the matter. CMD (talk) 02:08, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
I don't see any problems with the page as it is at present, so no need to change the layout. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 04:04, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
It looks good to me. The Captain Cook portrait is standard upright so text sandwiching isn't too bad. The addition of some of the things I proposed would further reduce sandwiching. Also I think it's crucial that both European discovery/exploration and convictism are illustrated. - HappyWaldo (talk) 07:00, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

It would be better if the history was not written by the white Australians - but by the Aboriginals. It seems they are not mentioned much though it states they have been there for 40,000 years... I wonder why. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.151.152.6 (talk) 03:42, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps because Aboriginals don't have a written history? --AussieLegend () 14:02, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Kingdom of Great Britain should be noted as "Kingdom of Great Britain"[edit]

Great Britain itself is really just an island, so when "Great Britain" is mentioned in the article in reference to the "Kingdom of...", it should say the full link to the page Kingdom of Great Britain instead of simply "Great Britain" w/the link to the "Kingdom of..." page the first time, and the second time it ought to also say "Kingdom of Great Britain" (possibly w/a second link to the page?). Otherwise, it's kind of misleading unless you're well informed on British imperial history and/or standard info on the Commonwealth realms. Do you think the change would work, AussieLegend? -Robot psychiatrist (talk) 13:37, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

No, common names should apply here. Great Britain typically means the political entity of England, Scotland, Wales, (and the islands). No one refers to it as the Kingdom of Great Britain except possibly in very formal writing or legalese. --Dmol (talk) 21:36, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
No, "Great Britain" reflects common usage, the link is there for anyone who doesn't understand the history. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 00:23, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Dmol I think you misunderstand something here. Kingdom of Great Britain is not the formal name. The formal name is United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island. When we talk about the British coming in 1788, we talk about the Kingdom of Great Britain as that was the name of the country at the time. Then later on it became known as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland before finally taking on its current name of United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island. In fact, if you click on the 'great britain' reference it links to the article about the Kingdom of Great Britain (as opposed to today's UK). Similarly if you go to the US article, it says the US received its independence from the Kingdom of Great Britain as the United Kingdom was not yet in existence at that time to get independence from! I might also be in favour of lengthening 'Great Britain' (link to Kingdom of Great Britain) which is the current situation to spelling out Kingdom of Great Britain as well as just linking to it to make this clear.--Saruman-the-white (talk) 08:57, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
The lead sentence of Kingdom of Great Britain starts with "The Kingdom of Great Britain, officially Great Britain". If Great Britain is the official name then that's what we should use when referring to it, so [[Kingdom of Great Britain|Great Britain]] is correct. If we used the unofficial name then "kingdom" should not be capitalised. --AussieLegend () 13:22, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Fair enough in that case I say we leave references to the old [[Kingdom of Great Britain|Great Britain]] and the newer entities as either [[United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland|United Kingdom]] or [[United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland|United Kingdom]] --Saruman-the-white (talk) 23:53, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playing_for_sheep_stations[edit]

there is an error with this page. it quotes the game squatter and its aim is to buy all the sheep stations. the aim is to buy sheep, you cant buy other stations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.196.145 (talk) 01:46, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Information icon Thank you for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top.
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Yes check.svg Done [1] Mitch Ames (talk) 03:07, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

"Government" section appalls[edit]

Heavens, how long since someone has gone through it? There are lots of language issues, and worse, it's written from a rather stuck-up, old-fashioned consitutional view. Who is responsible for that? Tony (talk) 05:00, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

The focus looks fine to me - it's a reasonable high level summary of Australia's system of government, which is suitable for this top level article. It would be nice to see a para or so on the role and structure of state and local governments, but that's easily doable. Nick-D (talk) 10:44, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
What is a 'stuck-up, old-fashioned constitutional view'? The government is structured based on how it has been set up by the constitution. As for 'stuck-up' .... I'm not sure what to say... This is a bizarre comment to say the least.--Saruman-the-white (talk) 12:23, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Discussion at WP:AWNB[edit]

There is a discussion at WP:AWNB regarding election of candidates. Since the issue under discussion is similar to discussions that we have had here regarding the election of the Prime Minister, editors may wish to participate in that discussion. --AussieLegend () 07:24, 8 July 2016 (UTC)