Talk:Australian Labor Party leadership spill, June 2013

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Front Page News[edit]

Just wondering why this isn't on front page wikipedia news?--Collingwood26 (talk) 13:24, 26 June 2013 (UTC) It is now. But it's not the top, top story, though.--Happytreefriend1234 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Happytreefriend1234 (talkcontribs) 03:53, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Background[edit]

The background section is really weak. Basically it says Gillard was voted out because she was unpopular. Why was her popularity waning? What were the issues? 130.159.234.211 (talk) 13:44, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

I'll add quotes and a bullet point list of issues from next week's issue of The Economist and other newsmagazines. They are more neutral than local, Australian sources. Ottre 15:52, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Spill?[edit]

I have never encountered this term before. Can someone explain if I'm right in assuming that it's a vote of confidence. What is its provenance?Jatrius (talk) 07:36, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

It seems to be a peculiarly Australian term. See Leadership spill, usually abbreviated to just "spill". -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 07:39, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
someone should write an entry at wikt:leadership spill -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 10:53, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

It's pretty much just a nicer word of saying "coup"--Collingwood26 (talk) 12:27, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, hardly. On this occasion, it was unlikely Rudd would have initiated anything. It was Gillard who called the spill, even though, in her own words, she had seen no petition for change and nobody had approached her saying they wanted to challenge her. She could have held firm as she had been doing, and just got on with governing. But she chose to call a ballot. That certain former supporters of her then chose to support Rudd does not amount to a "coup".
The word "coup" was also bandied about in regard to the change to Gillard in 2010. That was also rubbish. She went to Rudd, and told him what she was planning - hardly the actions of a plotter. He had every right to defend himself at the ballot, but he and he alone chose not to stand, thus giving Gillard a clear run. How could that possibly be described as a "coup"? -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 00:03, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
It's not the same as a "vote of confidence". A vote of confidence would be a vote of the entire house of representatives, which the government lost , for example, because some of the government members or independent members aligned with the government voted against it. This "leadership spill" is a vote of the members of the Labor Party ( including senators ), to elect a new party leader or confirm the current leader. A well known foreign example would be the deposition mid-term of Mrs Thatcher in 1991.Eregli bob (talk) 09:43, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
wikt:spill#Noun Australia: A declaration that the leadership of a parliamentary party is vacant, and open for re-election. Rangasyd (talk) 12:15, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

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