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WA[edit]

When did WA try to secede??? Astrokey44 12:18, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

The most serious (as it went through all strata of society and was even as far as going to London about it all was 1934. The less serious ( vis a vis Lang hangcock) was 1974 or 5 i think... Don't forget Hutt River Province and the good article about it!!.... User:SatuSuro 13:55, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

ok do you want to put a reference to them in the article? it seems like that statement is lacking a source Astrokey44 02:13, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Tasmanian mail going to Tanzania[edit]

How can something be a regular (albeit rare) occurance. Can't be regular and rare at the same time. And if it can, then it doesn't read well.

Transits of Venus are regular, yet also rare. I do agree that the line is confusing - I was trying to imply that it isn't a one off or an urban legend, but 99.99% of mail gets here without problems. -- Chuq 23:47, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Queensland[edit]

I haven't lived in North Queensland for a while but I think its fair to say that there is a bit of a rivalry between Townsville and Cairns (see the talk page of the former). I think there is also a general anti-Brisbane sentiment in parts of regional Queensland. (Queensland being the most decentraliased state with 60% of its population living outside the capital). Some of these might be worth mentioning in the article. -- Adz 03:50, 12 November 2005 (UTC)


Property values?[edit]

people often talk about property values of different cities, some place is affordable/expensive etc. Would something like that be worth including? Astrokey44 04:58, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

I wouldn’t have thought so. I think these sort of rivalries are essentially parochial in nature, and from the discussion on the Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board it would appear that they are usually harboured more by less dominant areas toward more dominant areas in an attempt to gain recognition. I think arguments such as those about property prices only serve to prop up whatever case the particular parochial viewpoint is trying to put forward. The only case that I am aware of where property prices might be relevant is in Tasmania/Hobart where, as I understand it, many locals are resentful of mainlanders who have moved to the area and driven up land prices (through speculative investments or otherwise), resulting in housing becoming unafordable for those who used to live there before the influx of mainlanders. Whether that is actually the case or whether it is just a common whinge among Tasmanians I don’t know. -- Adz 05:14, 12 November 2005 (UTC).
I see what you mean, its just that people often say things like "Sydney is expensive compared to Melbourne" or "Melbourne is expensive compared to Sydney" and it is never actually clear which place is more expensive. I suppose any house anywhere can get sold for any price and with different neighbourhoods theres differences with rent everywhere, but it would be nice to get some clarification on it Astrokey44 05:43, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
But I don't see how doing that would contribute to the article, which as I see it, is about the cultural phenomenon of regional rivalries between geographical areas in Australia. The article should discuss and explain the phenomenon and the reasons behind it rather than add fuel to the fire. Both cities are expensive. I'm not sure that house prices are part of the rivalry so much as just people generally complaining about house prices (although I tend to hear it more from people in Sydney, who really wouldn't care about houses in Melbourne, wheras perhaps people in Melbourne tend to say that houses are cheaper there to make themselves feel better - I don't know). -- Adz 05:53, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
Well, people move to Melbourne from Sydney because of it (and less so other things), so IMO it's quite relevant. jnothman talk 13:10, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
But does that constitute rivalry or is it just a reason for people moving? And you would think that if people harboured some sense of rivalry towards another city, they wouldn't want to move there. So I think it shoots the argument to pieces.. -- Adz 23:26, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

QVM[edit]

In the section about Tasmania being left off maps - This is particularly common in imported goods at the Queen Victoria Market in Melbourne. was removed from the article. Naturally I notice this whenever I see it, and I have seen it more at the QVM than any other touristy type shops. -- Chuq 23:52, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

I removed it because I didn't see a reason for singling out the QVM. The way it was written seemed to suggest that QVM was in some way relevant without explaining how. Does the QVM have a particular quarrel with Tasmania? Is it trying to suggest that Melb has issue with Tas? Is it because all the traders at the QVM get their stock exclusively from a cheap manufacturer in SE Asia who can't go to the effort of adding Tas, whereas other cheap t-shirt and souvenir shops don't? It seems out of place and should be written in more general terms. ie: souvenir shops with cheap imported goods. Also, I think the fact that they are cheep imported goods means that it isn't a product of any rivalry harboured by Melbournians towards Tasmanians, but simply a reason why Tasmanians get upset. -- Adz 00:06, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Tasmania-mainland rivalry[edit]

Mainland Australians often use the island state Tasmania (or Tasmanian's) as the butt of jokes. Many joke that people from the small island of Tasmania are inbred, or have two heads. The origins of these jokes are most likely due to the fact that Tasmania is an island state, and its (presumed) low population, there were certain parts of Tasmania that were often cutoff due to climate for over a year at a time in the 1800's and this did put some truth to inbreeding rumors but generally in actual fact Tasmania is much less remote and more populous that places such as Darwin, and up until the early 1900s, Perth. [1]

Is it meaningful to compare a state with a city? Granted, Tasmania's a bit smaller than WA and the NT.

I guess I used Darwin and Perth because it is hard to specify WA or NT as being a certain distance from somewhere else; different parts of the state/territory vary greatly. -- Chuq 23:33, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I've heard that Tasmania has the lowest per-capita rate of immigration from overseas (don't know about inter-state), and that it is very ethnically homogenous, and that it has been the target of genetics research since it is so homogenous (for example [1]). By contrast, I've heard that WA has the highest per-capita rate of immigration from overseas, and that Darwin is ethnically diverse.

Interesting article - I notice when they say 90% homogenous, they mean anglo-saxon, not Tasmanian born (they include NZ, Canada, UK etc. and the rest of Australia in that statistic). Also the study included about 14% Tasmanian-born people living in Victoria, which assists with the next statement. -- Chuq 23:33, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

More Tasmanian born people live in Melbourne than in Tasmania.

More in Melbourne than in Hobart would be plausible (along the lines that Melbourne is one of the biggest Greek cities), but a emigration rate of > 50% seems a little surprising. Andjam 15:07, 26 November 2005 (UTC)


Good points to bring up Andjam - the top one first - comparing states with cities - just look at population figures of the places that's why some people make these comparisons. If someone can provide exact census details at two points in time that one can be verified.

The Tassie/Melb issue, is that a considerable flow over time of tasmanians has occurred and generations of tasmanians have ended up in Melbourne. It was written in the sense that the outflow of tasmanians over time, has created a significant number of tasmanian born people actually now have melbourne as their place of residence. I'll check out the census tables to see if they can confirm or deny this one. I didnt write the top quote item, and would not have written that anyway. User:SatuSuro 15:39, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I just looked at this page again and notice that even after a few years, the Tasmania-Mainland rivalry has not been re-added. About time it was, I think :) But does anyone have any referenced for the above statements - or in general - that could help? Chuq (talk) 10:18, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Sydney-Melbourne Comparison[edit]

Is this section necessary? It seems to me that it is becoming increasingly trivial and unencyclopedic - more point scoring from each side rather than a useful treatment of the rivalry - and "citation needed" and "dubius - discuss" are springing up everywhere. Instead of comparing the cities, which is taking up the bulk of the energy devoted to this article, the focus should be on the roots and manifestations of the rivalry. I suggest the comparison is cut down dramatically or cut out completely - what do others think? WA Burdett (talk) 04:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree, it's getting ridiculous. The comparison section could be cut without any detriment to this article. - Aucitypops (talk) 05:10, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. It is rapidly growing worse with aggressive POV-pushing. Easel3 (talk) 04:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I gave it a going over. I hope what is left will contribute to the reader's understanding of the SYD-MEL rivalry without scaring them off with a whole lot of wang waving. - Aucitypops (talk) 11:47, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Gourmet Capital[edit]

I've removed the gourmet capital from the article, as without a reference, in additional to the dubious tag, it's POV. The Governmental website for Victoria lists Victoria as the Gourmet capital. [2] This particular travel website also lists Melbourne as the gourmet capital. [3] Even this pro-Sydney website lists Melbourne as the 'food capital' [4] I can't seem to dig up anything proclaiming Sydney as the gourmet capital. I'm inclined to think Melbourne is the gourmet capital, and on this rationale, will be enacting that in the article. Mvjs (talk) 11:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

As a west australian who has lived in tasmania, sydney and darwin I find the above reasoning insufficient - websites are deliberately propaganda machines - something like numbers of restaurants of a certain standard, and the usage of them would surely be more reliable indicator - SatuSuro 11:27, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Headings[edit]

Some headings have "rivalry", others simply have hyphens or slashes. Any idea on the correct approach to bring some consistency to the formatting of the article ? --Biatch (talk) 01:57, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Albury-Wagga rivalries[edit]

Albury and Wagga have had a rivalry for sometime thought sources are hard to find but I have found a opinion piece on iPrime's (Prime Television) website [5] but that all. Bidgee (talk) 01:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Northern/Southern Tasmania[edit]

This article may be handy for references - http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2012/10/16/363865_todays-news.html -- Chuq (talk) 03:52, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

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Should the headings include the word rivalry or not? E.g. "A–B" or "A-B rivalry". I'm not sure, so I added the word, if that was wrong, please correct this.Elliot321 (talk) 17:30, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

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