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"Automated" vs "autonomous"[edit]

To quote SAE J3016, which is the "Recommended Practice" that "provides a taxonomy describing the full range of levels of driving automation in on-road motor vehicles":

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This term has been used for a long time in the robotics and artificial intelligence research communities to signify systems that have the ability and authority to make decisions independently and self-sufficiently. Over time, this usage was casually broadened to not only encompass decision making, but to represent the entire system functionality, thereby becoming synonymous with automated. This usage obscures the question of whether a so-called “autonomous vehicle” depends on communication and/or cooperation with outside entities for important functionality (such as data acquisition and collection). Some driving automation systems may indeed be autonomous if they perform all of their functions independently and self-sufficiently, but if they depend on communication and/or cooperation with outside entities, they should be considered cooperative rather than autonomous. Some vernacular usages associate autonomous specifically with full driving automation (level 5), while other usages apply it to all levels of driving automation, and some state legislation has defined it to correspond approximately to any ADS at or above level 3 (or to any vehicle equipped with such an ADS).

Additionally, in jurisprudence, autonomy refers to the capacity for self-governance. In this sense, also, “autonomous” is a misnomer as applied to automated driving technology, because even the most advanced ADSs are not “self-governing.” Rather, ADSs operate based on algorithms and otherwise obey the commands of users.

For these reasons, this document does not use the popular term “autonomous” to describe driving automation.

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The industry about which this article is written uses the term automated, not autonomous. Autonomous is listed in SAE J3016 as a deprecated term, and having a Wikipedia article with incorrect terminology undermines Wikipedia's reliability.

Why didn't I move this talk page as well as the associated article? I got an error when I tried to do so. If someone would be kind enough to move the talk page as well, that would be fantastic.

Ewaladel (talk) 18:00, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

@Ewaladel: This retitling is clearly controversial and, even though your argument may be ultimately correct and you have a high chance of gaining support, you really do need to seek consensus for the name change, especially as it has such a large number of interested parties, and it has previously been discussed and rejected. Please follow the process described here.
Rodney Baggins (talk) 10:38, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
The facts is that, from the SAE point of view, the full autonomous vehicle is defined as the last level in a list of automated functions level. This means that you cannot unlink the one from the other. SAE is the link between them.
You say: «The industry about which this article is written uses the term automated, not autonomous.» This is not obvious, for instance, EuroNCAP defines autonomous in "Autonomous Emergency Braking" as: "the system acts independently of the driver to avoid or mitigate the accident." which implies the autonomous system is not the driver [1]
The extract you provide discuss the question of "cooperative vs autonomous" this could be dealt with in a Terminology section.
A Terminology section could contain your quotation: «Some vernacular usages associate autonomous specifically with full driving automation (level 5), while other usages apply it to all levels of driving automation, and some state legislation has defined it to correspond approximately to any ADS at or above level 3 (or to any vehicle equipped with such an ADS)»
And as you quoted, “autonomous” is the popular term to describe driving automation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.199.96.27 (talk) 17:06, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 28 August 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Self-driving car per the consensus below, along with the category and articles mentioned by Paintspot Infez. No such user (talk) 11:50, 5 September 2018 (UTC)



Autonomous carAutomated car – For reasons stated by Ewaladel in the above 2 sections. The move has been attempted by that user, but has since been reverted for being controversial. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 14:21, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

  • Move to Self-driving car per WP:COMMONNAME. "Self-driving car" has 10.5 million search results on Google, "autonomous car" only has 1.2 million, and "automated car" only has 300,000. Rreagan007 (talk) 20:32, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose For same reason as above. I think the word "automated" sounds wrong. It makes the car sound like an automatic washing machine, where you set a cycle and it follows a set of preset instructions, but with no intelligent data-gathering or reactions to external inputs. On the other hand, I would most definitely support a move to "Self-driving car"... Rodney Baggins (talk) 05:05, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Move to Self-driving car per WP:COMMONNAME. -- Netoholic @ 09:25, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Move to Self-driving car per above. Lepricavark (talk) 15:07, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Move to Self-driving car per WP:COMMONNAME.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 10:14, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Move to Self-driving car per above per WP:COMMONNAME. Also move other pages with "Autonomous car" in the title:
All the above should be moved as well. Paintspot Infez (talk) 15:28, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Self-driving car vs autonomous car[edit]

I am not sure that self-driving car is the exact same thing than an autonomous car.

  • A self-driving car implies that nobody is driving the car.
  • When "Some autonomous driving functions may have physical controls so that the vehicle user can activate, deactivate, override the function and hence

choose to drive themselves or let the vehicle drive" [2]

For instance, EuroNCAP defines autonomous in "Autonomous Emergency Braking" as: "the system acts independently of the driver to avoid or mitigate the accident." which implies the autonomous system is not the driver [3]

Wikipedia should be clearer on such point. One way to do it can be to provide a terminology section which clarifies each of both words, its usage and its implication. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.199.96.27 (talk) 16:44, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

What is SAE?[edit]

SAE is short for "Society of Automation Engineers". This should definitely be somewhere in the article, but I'm not sure where... MaigoAkisame (talk) 02:10, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

New article - "Self-driving cars in fiction"[edit]

I suggest splitting off the fiction section, while retaining only those mentions which have a secondary source in this article. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 03:23, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

...and the "DRONE"? (YouTube)[edit]

https://www.youtube.com/user/bimmerblog