Talk:Avatar: The Last Airbender

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Number of episodes wrong[edit]

Number of episodes is 62, not 61 (include '0-th' episode from season 1). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.150.86.127 (talk) 04:45, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Comments on the critical response section[edit]

The critical response section suffers quite a bit from the "A said B" problem; see WP:RECEPTION. For exampl, in the first paragraph we have "Nick Hartel said... Erik Amaya describes... Henry Glasheen calls... Brittany Lovely assured..." and on for eight or ten more sentences. It's better to find common threads in the critical commentary and structure the sentences around those, using the individual critics as support -- and you don't always have to name them in the sentence. See Talk:True Detective (season 1) for an example of how to start with the critical commentary and construct a reception section that avoids "A said B".

The other paragraphs have the same problem though they are slightly more varied. It isn't enough to assign each critical comment to an appropriate paragraph and list it in sequence -- that reads like a simple list of comments with no structure. I can see there is some organization -- for example the comments on animation are all together -- but that's not quite enough. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:42, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Ya, I came to the talk page to say the same thing. Many of the comments can be stacked. Instead of X felt it was the best and Y said it was the best, either go "X and Y said it was the best" or "multiple journalists described it as the best"—but the point is to give clarity for a general audience. When you use surnames in the later paragraphs, how am I to remember who said what, and if the who isn't important then why are we seeing their last names anyway? (not watching, please {{ping}}) czar 15:27, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
@Mike Christie and Czar: I did a re-write of it here. -- 1989 17:08, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
It's hard to review it without the refs, since some of the generalized claims—as phrased—would need some exceptionally authoritative support. czar 15:53, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
  • @Mike Christie and Czar: Miniapolis recently helped copyedit the section and the rest. Could you take a quick look to see if it's up to FA standards? -- 1989 02:50, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
I think my original comments still apply to the live, copyedited version. I thought the rewrite went in the right direction, but I can't evaluate the extent of its claims while the rewritten text is unsourced (don't know text–source integrity) czar 04:14, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
@Czar: I added refs. -- 1989 22:16, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
I can't give a full review right now but my quick response to the question is that it's not FA-ready yet. Statements like "The Avatar series has received mostly positive reviews from critics" are declarative and easily challenged, so a source should be provided. Sources like j-entonline.com and popzara.com, at least at first blush, do not appear reliable for statements of fact (do they have a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy, akin to newspapers and other published periodicals?) and nevertheless shouldn't be used for major pronouncements like "It has been labeled as one of best cartoons and animated programs to air on American television". On a lesser note, one reviewer—especially a minor one—making such a claim on the basis of their own opinion ("I truly believe that it’s one of the best animated TV series") becomes disingenuous if generalized as a widespread opinion. Such extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, such as a major source making that summative claim from multiple other reviewers or some other wide expertise. I'm not familiar with some of the publications used here but that's all the more reason why it's useful to have more information on why we're trusting reporting from "Inside Pulse" and "Nerd Society", if such sources should be used at all. There is also some jumping between they vs. he in referring to a single reviewer—it should be consistent even if using the outlet metonymously for the reviewer. The sentence structure could also be more interesting (FA "brilliant"-quality prose) by inverting sentences (without using passive voice) to avoid "X said that Y" repetition. After resolving the above, I'd look at holistically massaging the text into sentences that flow into each other. I'd personally remove about half of the examples, starting with the unreliable sources and reorganizing the text into smaller paragraphs by theme, with each paragraph signposted such that the reader knows what to expect and the text doesn't read like a list in paragraph format. czar 17:47, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

New Article Critique[edit]

This is a great article! It has a lot of reliable sources, like the New York Times, interviews from the creators themselves, and other pbulications like Slug Magazine and Hypable. The only things I would add, in terms of sources or gaining new information, is, in the film section, directly source the Rotten Tomtatoes page and, if possible, find some sources that have an opposing view point and/or point out the redemable (if any) factors of the movie in roder to help the article read more neutrally.

All of the information is defintly up to date -- I loved how the sequel section is labeled and links to the Legend of Korra page. Maybe adding a bit more information and how sections of that show relate back to the original would be good and would give that section more relevant and updated information. Things like, are there any characters that reapear in the sequel, or any voice actors who voice a new character.

As for clarity, the critical reception could be cleaned up. There is a lot of long, bulk text that makes that information difficult to read and sort through -- maybe seperating it with block quotes or only sticking to the major critical outlets.

Otherwise, fantastic article!


VicBrncz (talk) 16:54, 11 October 2017 (UTC)VicBrncz

"Universal acclaim"[edit]

I don't think we should use "universal" as the term indicates there are no detractors. Please change it to "largely positive reviews". 46.186.192.8 (talk) 16:48, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done. DarkFallenAngel (talk) 22:30, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Truth or vandalism?[edit]

I am not sure whether the claim that it is considered one of the worst movies ever made holds water, could it be vandalism?201.240.147.131 (talk) 00:08, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

its on the list here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_considered_the_worst Wikiman5676 (talk) 20:30, 2 June 2018 (UTC)