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Welcome[edit]

This article was created to address a topic I was looking for on Wikipedia and did not find. Considering that I haven't done a lot on Wikipedia and would like to change that, I gladly welcome constructive and civil feedback to help improve this article and my future assistance on this site. BAKURA (talk) 18:43, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

What is the source for the map?[edit]

What do the colours mean and where does the map even come from? I'm not aware of any official treaty that unites all of those countries. If it is an "unofficial" grouping, who made it? Where was this reported? Esn (talk) 18:33, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Impartially[edit]

this article seems to not a Impartially article the picture

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Flickr_-_The_Israel_Project_-_Hezbollah%2C_Iran%27s_Front_Line.jpg

which made by the israel project that is in Jerusalem and Washington, DC

Are you people serious?[edit]

"Axis"? Wow. Talk about propaganda. And of course there is a crazy political cartoon demonizing the topic of the article in it as well. Sheer propaganda, clearly FSA wrote this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.45.52.222 (talk) 04:12, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Axis is term used by themselfs.

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Infograph[edit]

The infograph used in the article is against WP:LABEL, where the users are advised to avoid using "terror" (or its derivatives), "unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject, in which case use in-text attribution." There's no inline citation provided for the term used! --Mhhossein talk 20:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

I agree with you, the claim needs to have an in line citation. Saff V. (talk) 07:29, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Agreed, seems to be a blatant violation of WP:LABEL. Much of the material in the infographic doesn't appear in the article itself either. Grngu (talk) 13:16, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Infograph is informative and attributed. You have a lot of sources at the bottom of the image, including Al Jazeera, New York Times and others.--יניב הורון (talk) 00:40, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Indeed. And it would be DUE to include the response of the target of this Axis of Terror[1][2][3] - including stating this alternative name in the lede. Hezbollah is considered a terrorist organization by multiple governments.Icewhiz (talk) 06:45, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
There should be INLINE citations, an important point you are missing. --Mhhossein talk 16:48, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Axis of Terror[edit]

I checked the three sources ([4], [5] and [6]) and in all of them the term is used by Israeli officials and it's certainly not an "alternative name" used by reliable independent sources for the subject. Although, there's a separate page for Axis of evil. On the other hand, there are sources showing that the alliance is know as the "Axis of Resistance":

  • "...what is known as the “axis of resistance,” a power bloc that includes Iran, Iraq, Syria, Hezbollah, and Hamas in Palestine."Foreign Affairs.
  • "The term resistance axis (jabhat al-muqawama) designates the alliance among the Islamic Republic of Iran, Syria and the strongest Arab non-state actors, the Lebanese Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas." Middle East Policy Council
  • "The world has long been hearing about the so-called “Axis of Resistance”, made up of..." Middle East Monitor
  • "Syria’s support for Iran has enhanced Tehran’s regional influence...and helped to consolidate an “axis of resistance” that ..." United States Institute of Peace.

While searching for "Axis of Terror" brings up almost no sensible result. --Mhhossein talk 18:59, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Per WP:ONUS, "The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." So, please avoid further reverts unless there's a consensus that the term is a widely used alternative name for the subject. --Mhhossein talk 19:07, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

As we aren't dealing with a formal alliance - but rather an informal alliance (whose members seem to change) - we are mainly seeing sources aligned with Iran using one term, and those that are not using another. At times, the Iranian term is used in scare quotes in other sources - indicating that this is not quite an accepted term by neutral sources.Icewhiz (talk) 07:54, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
No, using quotations does not mean the term is not neutral or otherwise. At the moment, this the term used by the sources and axis of terror is not an alternative. --Mhhossein talk 11:13, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
  • I agree, "Axis of Terror" is not a widely used alternative name and should not be in bold. Also, Mhhossein's version is not accurate since it is attributing the term to "all Israeli officials" and there aren't reliable sources for this. In addition, It's original research and There need to be RS to make this generalization. I say 3 officials doesn't mean "all officials"."By its detractors" is Original Research, too, for the same reason. Saff V. (talk) 11:49, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
  • The article was edited based on above discussion. Saff V. (talk) 12:28, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
I checked the edit, it's better now. I was searching for more details and saw that some reliable sources use "refer" for describing the term. For example the Reuters say "The “axis of resistance” refers to Shia...". --Mhhossein talk 12:58, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Reuters is using scare quotes - "axis of resistance" - and feels the need to explain a previous quote from Syrian TV. If the main sources using "axis of resistance" without quotes are Iranian aligned - we have a name problem. It might be best to redirect this page to Foreign relations of Iran.Icewhiz (talk) 13:18, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
It seems to me that this may be a WP:DICTDEF/WP:NOT fail. There was some initial use of this slogan as a counter to Axis of evil with a different set of countries, and then some subsequent use of this in relation to the Syrian civil war that is mainly Iranian (and not other sources).Icewhiz (talk) 13:23, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Firstly, the subject is notable enough and can stand alone on the basis of the numerous reliable sources deeply covering it and one may even find studies regarding it. As for the name, we need to adhere to the reliable sources and see how it's used. Furthermore, you can see some reliable non-Iranian sources using the term without quotations; See [7], [8], [9], [10] and etc. --Mhhossein talk 19:04, 3 April 2018 (UTC)