Talk:Baadur Jobava

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Official opening credit?[edit]

Isn't there a Jobava London System, Jobava attack, or similar to be credited to this player?

See e.g. The Jobava London: White’s Best Chess Opening for Beginners?, Jobava London System and How can I punish the “bad” knight on c3? (far from official sources, though).

Is it related to the game in the "Notable games" section?

--Mortense (talk) 20:44, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted the bit about racism[edit]

I just deleted the bit about racism, as it is completely obscure. The incident was only mentioned in a passing Chess.com tweet, and was not covered by *any* serious chess or other news site. Hence it falls short of the guidelines with regards to noteworthiness, especially compared to the entire article. 188.230.140.33 (talk) 11:43, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

thank you for your thoughts on the matter, truly. i was the one who initially made the edit, so at this moment, i disagree with this rationale. if we're in the business of documenting relevant moments in a given person's career in a biographical matter, of course somebody being banned from prized events, especially one as big as the Champions Chess Tour, is relevant. although it was initially mentioned by chess.com in a tweet, it was later mentioned in one of their recaps and also covered by the Daily Beast. But I believe this fact is not relevant: the only fact that matters in this instance is what Chess.com says. Any other news outlet reporting on this wouldn't add or remove from its immediate relevance on jobava and the onus we have in covering his career as editors.

i hope this makes sense. all the best !! Ayyydoc (talk) 14:22, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I completely disagree. (By the way - who is Daily Beast anyways??)

Can you provide a source to the mentioned Chess.com recap? Because there was nothing (zero) about the matter on their main news site (https://www.chess.com/news).

The onus we have in covering his career as editors is in providing a fair and substantial summary of his life and career, and to present this with its own paragraph (even a mention is too much in my opinion) is completely disproportionate, with regards to Jobava's accomplishments such as his Olympiad gold medals.

I hope I disproved your case, all the best. 188.230.140.33 (talk) 15:41, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sure -- here's the mention I was referencing.

And I'm failing to understand how two sentences discussing a ban that, by the way, is very relevant to his career is disproportionate to the body of information we have in the article—tournament results, notable games, and Olympic honours. If your qualm is that we only have two primary sources and a potentially dubious secondary source, that's one thing. Saying that mentioning it altogether disproportionate? I'm not sure that I follow.

I really want to hear you out (and also bring on other editors to seek consensus), but I'm not convinced you have disproved anything, really. Thank you for providing your input though. ( PS - I hope it's not lost in this discussion that I really do appreciate you giving your thoughts on this matter. All the best! ) Ayyydoc (talk) 02:00, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you're not serious with your recap link. There's barely a footnote about the incident in the article. Given the supposed gravity I would have expected at least a full Chess.com article on the matter..

My qualm isn't that we 'only have two primary sources and a potentially dubious secondary source' - my qualm is that we don't have even one primary source that would merit a mention in the article.

Just to hammer the point home:

https://www.chess.com/news - no article on the matter

https://chess24.com/en/read/news - no article on the matter

https://en.chessbase.com/ - no article on the matter

https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/cm8m13335l1t - no article on the matter

https://www.espn.com/chess/ - no article on the matter

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/chess - no article on the matter

https://www.europe-echecs.com/ - no article on the matter

https://www.chessdom.com/category/chess/ - no article on the matter

... and I could go on and on and on!

PS - I'm also failing to understand how exactly in your opinion this whole story is so important. The article prior to your edit included exactly 1 (one) sentence related to Jobava's internet chess career.

All the best and I expect some more serious arguments from you, or else I'll be forced to retract your edit (again). Cheers 188.230.140.33 (talk) 15:04, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The F-word[edit]

The page states the following: On February 3, 2023, Jobava accused GM Xu Xiangyu of cheating after losing to him during the Airthings Masters Play-In and publicly berated chess.com team members after the game saying "Ban all these Chinese motherf***ers." This resulted in him being banned from all chess.com prize events for the remainder of 2023 for the alleged racism. The censorship of "fuck" as "f***" shocks me. I am not a toddler. I can see, listen to and say the F-word. Fuck. FUCK. FUCK. Stop saying f***. 2A00:23C7:5882:8201:4014:108F:A0D8:24A (talk) 16:24, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]