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Delete the page[edit]

this page talks about a mythical area that have never existed... --Ambelland (talk) 01:22, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Merge with other Balochistan Page[edit]

Why have a separate page for a place that has never existed ? --Gbh123 (talk) 00:29, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

One article[edit]

I dont see why the history and complete demographics plus socio economic setup of Balochistan cannot be in one article ,there is no sense to divide it as most other articles on States and Provinces are detailed into one article and/or comprehensive enough.This article covers everything there is to know about Balochistan and thats what a reader must have and should have.--Sheikhu 04:33, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Two Images[edit]

Also I have noticed that user:202.91.105.11 has removed some images without due reason from this article.Please provide legitimate reasons before deleting anything of significance in an article.--Usmanreddy 04:56, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Opinionated article[edit]

"Gwadar is in the clutches of a land-grab mafia from Punjab"

While I am not from Punjab, the sentence above sounds highly opinionated. It seems the article has been written from one point of view rather than from a general academic view.

The three major ethnic groups in Balochistan, Baloch, Pashtun and Punjabi have very different views on the whole system and an outsider (or someone with a view thereof) is required to reflect on the current state.

I am from Balochistan and from neither of the three above ethnicities, yet I'm fully aware of my bias and do not feel I can write an impartial article.

Emotions can run high on all sides when the history and current status of this province is mentioned, and this article should be always taken with a grain of salt. (preceding unsigned comment by 70.24.237.16 --Hottentot

The last sentence of the lead says Now it is recognised by UNPO as an Un-represented Nation. UNPO, besides having a somewhat misleading acronym, does not seem notable enough for this part of the article. What this sentence really says is that Baluchistan has a nationalist movement big enough to join an organization for nationalist movements; except it's written from a pro-Baluchistan point of view. That kind of thing should be discussed in a section on Baluchistani politics. Brock (talk) 16:51, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

History section[edit]

The history section here should be put into the Balochistan (Pakistan) article because it is only speaking about that area. (preceding unsigned comment by Binsaleemz --Hottentot


Strictly grammatical[edit]

I have clarified some terms and corrected some grammar and punctuation, in order to make this comprehensible. Let me emphasize that my only input is technical and I have no opinion on the situation, yet I feel that readers who come to Wikipedia for information would be turned off by the non-neutral language, thus counteracting the writer's obvious desire for people to be informed of his/her cause. If you wrote this, please consider removing the non-neutral language, so that the message will come through clearly and sensibly. Her Pegship 00:20, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Should be Rewritten[edit]

In my opinion, the article must be redone. It is too one-dimensional, as it talks largely about only one aspect of Baluchistan's history, ignoring more general information that would normally be found in an article about a geographic region. DigiBullet 14:46, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

This article could use a rewrite[edit]

This article could use a rewrite This article could use a rewrite 01:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Proposed change[edit]

This page should be the disambiguation page for the word Balochistan with redirects from Baluchistan and Baluchestan. The content of this article could be moved to a Balochistan (region) article. Green Giant 05:15, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, it depends on what pages link to this one. If most link to the larger region, then don't make it a disambig page, but if a great deal of the pages are supposed to link to the other meanings as well as this one, it might be a good idea. See Special:Whatlinkshere/Balochistan. --Khoikhoi 05:25, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Summarizing[edit]

From the point of view of someone completely unfamiliar with this subject, I find the article in desperate need a brief summary. After reading through the first page or so of the article, I'm pretty sure Balochistan is located in the country of Pakistan, but am not sure. This is a problem.
Riobranden 10:33, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Balochistan is a region currently divided between Pakistan, Iran, and possibly Afghanistan (there are Balochis in the south of that country). In Pakistan it makes up the province of Balochistan. For the article about Balochistan in Iran, see Balochistan (Iran). --Khoikhoi 20:28, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Most of the content of this article is almost completely identical to the content of the History of Baluchistan page. Starting from the second paragraph of the History section to the Recent Developments section the only difference is a little extra text in the Military Cantonments Issue section. Altogether some 276 pages link to this page but of those 126 pages do so specifically in the context of linking to Balochistan (Pakistan) and not the wider region (including 28 pages on the districts of Pakistani Balochistan which make no mention of the wider region). That works out at about 45% of the pages linking here. I can understand User:Riobranden confusion because so many links are pointing here without intending to do so.
To remove this ambiguity, I will eliminate the matching sections with History of Baluchistan from this page and move the remaining content to a Balochistan region page with a link from this page. This page should become a disambiguation page on the lines of Punjab, Macedonia and Georgia. Green Giant 21:27, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Ok, good job. I agree. --Khoikhoi 02:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 10:12, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Bertistan[edit]

Incorrect old maps have Balochistan labeled as "Bertistan". Bertistan should redirect here. For an example, see [1]--189.33.15.103 (talk) 22:27, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

"Herodotus in 650 BC described ..."[edit]

Herodotus lived over 150 years later, so how can he have described anything in 650 BC? Floris V (talk) 16:46, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved to Balochistan. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 13:31, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


Balochistan (region)Balochistan region — - why do we need the parentheses, when a simpler name will be easier to type and search for? Green Giant (talk) 04:27, 26 July 2010 (UTC) Support per nom. warrior4321 21:28, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Spelling[edit]

Why must Wikipedia force a nationalist-inspired oddball spelling down our throats every single time? It hurts your credibility. It's Baluchistan. The only context in which the average person might have heard of the place is in "beast of Baluchistan", spelled thus. Are you going to try to make the genus "balochitherium"? You are annoying the hell out of I daresay a lot of us with this nonsense. Ask me why I bother, and I'll say I don't know.

Merge to Balochistan[edit]

This article is about an administrative province of Pakistan, not about the historic and geographic region of Baluchistan. I strongly suggest the Ethymology and at least Early History (if not British Rule, too) sections are merged with Balochistan article. Also, the info in the Ethymology section currently seems to contradict the explanation contained in Balochistan ("Balochistan is named after the native Baloch tribes"). kashmiri 17:20, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I did not understand you, you are already in the article of Balochistan, the article of administrative province of Pakistan is Balochistan, Pakistan! Do you want to merge the Etymology and Early History to Balochistan, Pakistan. Faizan -Let's talk!

Army's Atrocities[edit]

I have added another source from amnesty who are reliable — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.41.162 (talk) 15:54, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

The amnesty article that you have quoted does not use the phrase 'Pakistani Army' for once?! Just because the the report says "The victims’ relatives and Baloch groups blame the ‘kill and dump’ incidents on Pakistani security forces, particularly the Frontier Corps and intelligence agencies." this does not automatically mean that they are actually involved. Adding this unconfirmed info mean that you are POV-pushing. Stop it!PakSol talk 16:02, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Source days credible investigation carried out — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.41.162 (talk) 16:09, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Show me where? But then first, get a reliable source. The talk page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Balochistan#Opinionated_article already says UNPO is NOT a reliable source. We cant go in circle over something which already has been discussed. PakSol talk 16:19, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Amnesty is reliable source — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.41.162 (talk) 18:22, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Sure is, but does the website proves your POV? Or is it just your own interpretation and thus the POV-pushing? PakSol talk 18:34, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Read source also another here http://www.dawn.com/news/681889/balochistan-at-point-of-no-return-mengal-tells-nawaz — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.41.162 (talk) 18:37, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

You call this is a source? Just because something is published online doesnt make it a source. Direct quotes (without proper interpretation by a secondary source) and allegation by some politician against the Government because he is in the opposition is not a reliable source. Did you see the word "accused" in the very first sentence of the so called 'source' you have added? Please use commonsense. Had Mr Mengal been an elected member, may be we could pay heed to his rants, but quoting a 4 year old 'news' as source is not what we do here at Wikipedia, especially if you are going to further misinterpret it to push your own POV.
None of the sources you have been pushing say anything near to what you are trying to include in your edits. This amounts to disruptive editing and any further edits as vandalism. PakSol talk 00:19, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

You called me vandal and admin said I no, so stop accusing wiki will not let me post quotes here? 82.11.33.86 (talk) 12:14, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Hold your horse and read through the discussion on the so called sources that you are trying to add. Also, this article is about Balochistan, the area, not about the 'atrocities' that takes place there. PakSol talk 12:18, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Someone in Pak amy has no right to remove informations on atrocities by you amy.[2] 82.11.33.86 (talk) 16:00, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Paksol do not edit the words of others 82.11.33.86 (talk) 16:35, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Comments requested[edit]

Should article have human rights atrocities in? resources are in edit I did. [3] More resource [4][5][6] 82.11.33.86 (talk) 12:28, 13 June 2015 (UTC) Striking sock comments. --lTopGunl (talk) 19:20, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

  • Oppose The sources being cited are unreliable/blogs. The link from Amnesty website does not support the POV that is being pushed into the article and is being quoted just to provide credibility which anyone can see is lacking. The info from Dawn that is being quoted is being deliberately misrepresented and misinterpreted. This discussion has already taken place here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Balochistan#Army.27s_So_Called_Atrocities, but the IP is unable to improve its sources nor the quality of info. Since the past 48 hours, this is the third IP which have tried to insert "exactly" the same info repeatedly. It seem like as if a certain group is carrying out planned disruptive edits by using different IPs. Also, the reasons of reverts made by editors opposing this edit should be seen in the history of the article who have amply tried to explain this point over and again. PakSol talk 12:30, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Nowhere does the sources being quoted says "The pakistani army carries out atrocities against the Baloch people", as if it were systamtic and planned. Moreover, there's a full article Human rights violations in Balochistan on the subject. The IPs can have a field day over there, but not here. And lasty, quoting sources like http://www.balochitvonline.com is laughable to say the least. PakSol talk 12:37, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
No blogs [Pakistan's military has escalated its brutal campaign of abduction and extra-judicial execution targeting nationalist rebels in Balochistan province, human rights groups have said. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/28/pakistan-military-campaign-balochistan-hrw] 82.11.33.86 (talk) 12:34, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Did you bother reading the word accused in the title of the source you are trying to quote? Google doesnt help much, or does it? :) PakSol talk 12:40, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

I gave quote see "Pakistan's military has escalated its brutal campaign of abduction and extra-judicial execution targeting nationalist rebels in Balochistan province, human rights groups have said." 82.11.33.86 (talk) 13:18, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Decline to temporary Page Protection[edit]

Hi, this is with reference to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Balochistan . Where does the good-faith leave us after the following discussions and explanations given to all 3 x IPs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bangladesh_Liberation_War#What.27s_up_with_the_recent_IP_Edits.3F https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Balochistan#Army.27s_So_Called_Atrocities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Balochistan#Comments_requested

Quoting sources that casually makes a mention of a certain word and then misinterpreting it to ones own POV and then adding that info at Wiki is not good faith. Moreover, adding blogs and nationalist websites which infact are blogs cannot be taken as reliable. A book makes a passing reference to a phrase in totally a different context and of an editors picks that up and add that reference here as a source, it surely isnt good faith, sir. I request you to go through the above referred talk pages and the comments left while reverting the edits made by these IPs on that Page. Thanks PakSol talk 15:17, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Paksol removing information[edit]

It has been in article since long, you need consensus to remove.[7] 82.11.33.86 (talk) 16:52, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

One, being 'since long' in the article does not qualify the info to be untouchable.
Two, You yourself raised an RfC here and asked for comments if info related to human rights violation should he included in this article. The discussion does not support your edits.
Three, As amply explained by Mar4d to specifically to you that this article is on the "general region" Balochistan which falls inside Afghanistan, Iran and Pakistan and not the Pakistani Province of Pakistan, hence categorically adding info specific to Pakistan alone and that there is Persecution of Minorities in Balochitan (The Pakistani Province) simply shows both your lack of understanding of geography and commonsense.
There are already two articles (Balochistan conflict and Human rights violations in Balochistan) which specifically talk about the POV you are trying to push inside a wrong article where your edits are out of the scope of the article.
You have been warned of Disrupting Wikipedia to make a point, but still dont understand a basic concept. —PakSol talk 17:16, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
RfC is not oVer, you need consensus to remove. 82.11.33.86 (talk) 17:28, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
Consensus to remove any future addition of info related to human rights violation by you or other IPs which were trying to edit the article. The info I removed had nothing to do with the article as the it has nothing to do specifically with Pakistan.—PakSol talk 18:15, 14 June 2015 (UTC)