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Racism against Obama[edit]

I fully understand not wanting unnecessary POV pushing about US Presidents. But to me (and I say this as someone that has mixed feelings about the Obama Administration), the article feels incomplete without discussing the intense racial animosity he faced during his presidency. The words "racism" and "racist" don't show up in this article a single time, and while Trump is mentioned, his role in pushing conspiracy theories about Obama's citizenship is not, despite them being a very prominent talking point among right-wing pundits at the time. The word "birther" is mentioned a single time, and it's only in the reference list.

Racism against Obama is something that's already been a subject of academic study both during and after his presidency, not to mention the countless op-eds that have analyzed this phenomenon. I can understand this page just mentioning it for a few paragraphs and linking to articles that go into the topic into more detail, but not mentioning it at all just does not do this page justice. DJ (talk) 07:44, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Interesting. The closest I found was Presidency_of_Barack_Obama#Racial_issues, Presidency_of_Barack_Obama#Approval_ratings_and_other_opinions and Barack Obama "Joker" poster (Barack the Barbarian looks fun). He is not mentioned in Race and ethnicity in the United States. Public image of Barack Obama touch on it a little.
If there are good sources, this can clearly be expanded on in more than one place. It may deserve a mention in this article too, not sure where though. I think you could make a "Barack Obama and Racism" article if you want, WP:GNG shouldn't be much of a problem. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:46, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
alright, just added some info about both general race relations + racism he faced personally, along with a lot of other stuff. Per my edit comment: “Moved sections about Venezuela, Hiroshima & Africa to Foreign policy of the Barack Obama administration, moved a lot of info about his awards to Public image of Barack Obama, and added some tentative sections about his handling of race relations, as well as racism that he faced himself (with appropriate citations and links to other pages that cover this in more detail)” DJ (talk) 00:11, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not entirely happy with Barack_Obama#Racism_towards_Obama. I spot checked your current cites 465-467, and none of them mentions "racism", making this a bit of a WP:OR. Also, there has been a pretty solid consensus against including the "birther" topic in this article, and about half the section is about that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:14, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I’ll admit I was a bit sloppy implementing it here, as I basically copied info from pre-existing articles and put them here, which is why a lot of it is tentative for now. But I understand it could be better, the topic deserves its own article, and the main reason I even mentioned the birther stuff is because its one of the only topics related to Obama & racism that’s already extensively covered on Wikipedia. Still, i’ll try to do some cleanup here. DJ (talk) 20:35, 4 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I disagree that there was "intense racism", Barack Hussein Obama could not have been elected without the large number of white persons who voted for him, it is likely that more white persons voted for Obama than did black persons.  The intense controversy surrounding Obama's presidency was concerning his eligibility to be a President of the United States, and the authenticity of his Hawaiian birth certificate. BrainiacOne (talk) 18:33, 4 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It depends where one draws the line for "intense" racism/racial animosity. Is it here? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:45, 4 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah, I mean, the racism stuff against Obama, is certainly less poignant without considering the fact that it was basically educated, white liberals who elected him.
While white liberals later on didn't support him as much, they overwhelmingly supported his first election bid. The energy among them was electric, so, while there was racial animosity, the issues with race became a lot less prevalent. Pbs123456789 (talk) 16:22, 16 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Agree with the premise: racial animosity toward Obama deserves better coverage in this article. If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon. That statement raised a firestorm which is mentioned in the Barack Obama#Racial issues section of this article. But racial animosity toward Obama isn't really described in that section, which is part of the domestic policy part of the article.

  • A nice sociolinguistic treatment of some of the racist attitudes toward Obama is in the book Articulate While Black. The study includes the background of incidents such as Obama occasionally code-switching to African-American vernacular, or the fist-bump, and then the political blow-ups which followed each incident. The book's analyses go beyond political and cultural responses to Obama, using these incidents as illustrative examples of the interplay between language and race relations. But the incidents themselves are documented and analyzed and could be included in an encyclopedia article. The book was published in 2012, it covers only a couple of years.
Alim, H. Samy; Smitherman, Geneva (2012). Articulate While Black. ISBN 9780199812967.
  • Simply google-searching racial animosity toward Obama finds a Washington Post article The racist backlash Obama has faced during his presidency. It is one article in a retrospective on the Obama years. This is a short very high-level overview, but by looking up some of the individual incidents or following up on the quotes from Jimmy Carter, it seems it could be a good jumping-off point to write a history of racial animosity toward the former president.
Samuel, Terence (April 22, 2016). "The racist backlash Obama has faced during his presidency". Washington Post. Retrieved 2022-10-02.
  • Racial animosity toward Obama is background to how Obama and the Black community navigated the complex dynamics of race: the racism against Obama is the political matrix that Obama had to navigate. I think Michael Eric Dyson's book The Black Presidency (I haven't read this one) covers the topic. His essay Whose President Was He? presages that book.
Dyson, Michael Eric (2016). The Black Presidency. ISBN 9780544387669.
Dyson, Michael Eric (January 2016). "Whose President Was He?". POLITICO. Retrieved 2022-10-02.
  • There is quite of academic material on this subject. Simple searching on google or google scholar gets a lot of hits.

I think ultimately the subject is far too large to cover very well in this article. There were a lot of individual incidents, many of which are likely covered in other articles. There are a goodly number of academic treatments of the phenomenon, the article shouldn't be a simple list of incidents. The structure of this Wikipedia page is: sections contain a summary or precis of a topic, with a link to a Wikipedia page for a more full treatment. I suggest that properly there should be a single Wikipedia article on the phenomenon of racial animosity toward Barack Obama, linked to from a summary here. Quite possibly there is such an article or section already, but I haven't found it. But in the spirit of Wikipedia as an organic collaborative encyclopedia, an approach might be to start that article with a section here, and then split it into its own article as it grows. -- M.boli (talk) 16:30, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

All these sources look very, very good - and I've already incorporated info from the Washington Post link in this page - but you are also right that this topic deserves WAY mores space, and it definitely deserves a fully developed article of it's own (which I haven't found yet, unfortunately). DJ (talk) 06:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't think there is one. Such an article could possibly also mention the comments around how African American he is (not being a descendant of American slaves). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:16, 5 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mention of him campaigning for candidates in the current midterm elections are worth a mention in the lead[edit]

The fact Obama campaigned for candidates in the 2018 midterm elections are mentioned in the lead, can it also be added to the lead that he's doing the same in the current midterm elections? (talk) 00:12, 6 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Penny Pritzker & the Pritzker Family[edit]

How do you have an article on Barack Obama without mentioning Obama's mentor, Penny Pritzker, or the backing of the Pritzker family? Stevenmitchell (talk) 19:28, 9 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Because referring to Penny Pritzker as a mentor is a significant stretch. Influential donor, advisor, and campaign strategist whose family certainly provided financial support to Obama's campaign? Yes. Worth a mention somewhere. But she also served as his Commerce Secretary and their history as friends going back to his days as a professor are documented in her article. "Mentor" is not a good choice of word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:43, 23 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2022[edit]

Greetings, i wanted to added several information on Barack Obama's education section by adding State Elementary School Menteng 01. I hope to edit the article for better quality and more information. RANDOM USER2121 (talk) 03:01, 18 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. —Sirdog (talk) 04:08, 18 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That school is mentioned in the article. What did you intend to add, based on which sources? If it's reasonable content but out of WP:PROPORTION here, Early life and career of Barack Obama may be a better target. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:04, 18 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]