Talk:Barnstaple

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Barum?[edit]

It's not "often known locally as Barum". Barum may have been the name the Romans gave to it. More likely, it's a Victorian era or Edwardian era invention. Suggest this phrase is deleted. User:Josh Parris

I also agree with this and will change the article. I believe the word Barum was a Victorian era phrase. Jack 13:38, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I notice that the item clarifying the use of Barum following this above discussion was recentlty (18 April) Removed by the anonymous 86.130.226.230. No justification or explanation for the removal was offered, so I have replaced it (slightly modified. If anyone cares to comment, please do Lynbarn 07:55, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey Lynbarn - that was the right thing to do, I have been following this page and must have missed that the Barum section had been removed. Thanks for reverting it. Jack 18:22, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Pannier Market[edit]

Any chance of a section on the Pannier Market?- it's also missing. Did some major editing due to ome very sub-standard work introduced by anonymous 86.130.226.230- lots of 'facts' out of thin air. Also deleted a lot of opinion, bias and colour added by the same user. Will revisit. User:Fremsley 04:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Population[edit]

I've removed the lines about '50% of the popl. having no qualifications' and its resultant spurious chain of logic. Also removed the lines about 'ageing popl'. The census shows that there's no huge difference between Barnstaple and England average age structure, at least no more than the amount of incoming retired people would account for. User:Fremsley 11:50, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Upcoming Events[edit]

July 2007 will hail the begining of an Epic 4000km Longboard (skateboard) Marathon. Barnstaple (the closest large town to the team members of BeatsWalkinEurope will be the starting place for the journey as Sam Benson and Jay Duggan skate through the front door of their Local Skateshop Beats Workin' and onward through France, Switzerland, Italy and Spain. Before crossing the finish line in their home town of Westward Ho!

What qualifies this type of time sensitive information? And, it sounds like it's just publicity. It doesn't have a very encyclopeadic 'ring' to it. Granted, that's entirely subjective on my part, but I'd like the contributors of that bit to explain their additions, rather than me just going ahead and deleting it, which, of course, would not be assuming good faith! :) Hail True Body 18:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I would agree that this isn't a particularly appropriate item for inclusion in the Barnstaple article, and it should perhaps be removed - or at least much reduced.
The linked website claims the event is in aid of three charities - perhaps the event would better recorded against the charities own articles? regards Lynbarn 19:58, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree, this Upcoming Events stuff looks wrong in a professional encyclopedia. After years of editing (since early 2003) I can tell instantly tell whats OK and what's not, and this is not OK - Adrian Pingstone 20:33, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Greencrog[edit]

What's a Greencrog? I reverted it to Greengrocer, assuming it was a typo. Butcher's Row certainly does have a greengrocer (T.H. Lewis & Son - which is opposite the Pannier Market at the High Street end of Butcher's Row, the second shop along the row after the baker), so perhaps that should also be included? I should add that Wiktionary has no definition for this word.

Wikiproject[edit]

I think it's time there was a Wikiproject:Devon up and running. Anyone interested, come to my talkpage and we'll sort something out. I'm not much good at HTML but if we all put our heads together I'm sure we can get Devon articles the treatment they deserve. Totnesmartin 16:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC) The site for proposed projects is this: [1]. Cheers! Totnesmartin 22:37, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Possible link spam?[edit]

Yesterday saw the appearance of a link on this and the North Devon pages of "The 'official' website of North Devon". Do these pages add anything or are they advertising? The word "official" and their position in the links pages suggests they are the latter. User:Fremsley 23:54, 9 February 2007 (UTC)~

I was suspicious of this link too. The fact that it was added to four+ pages at the same time is usually indicative of spam. Also, the site contains little 'information', compared with a lot of publicity material. Furthermore it is not specific to Barnstaple...
Maybe should be removed from all pages where it was added?
EdJogg 14:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Proposed merge from Queen's Theatre, Barnstaple[edit]

{{Mergefrom|Queen's Theatre, Barnstaple|date=January 2007}} This tag has been around since January, but nothing has happened - should it be removed, or should the two articles be merged, or should the theatre article be expanded to make it more appropriate? Regards, Lynbarn 20:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Well the article as it stands ought to be titled "Theatre in Barnstaple", as the Queen's Theatre plays only a bit part (:o) ). When the merge tag was applied, the article consisted of just a single sentence along the lines of: "The Queen's Theatre, Barnstaple, is a theatre in Barnstaple, North Devon."
I suggest you go ahead and merge it, with a revised title, such as I have suggested above.
EdJogg 15:55, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Apart from EdJoggs comment above, there has been no great clamour to merge, so I have removed the tag. The theatre article now has more information in it, and I willadd more as time allows, which I think makes it worth keeping them separate. Regards,  Lynbarn  (talk) 22:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Barnstaple as an area[edit]

Can anyone say why the independent schools in 'Barnstaple area' are added. Shouldn't they be in either 'North Devon' or 'Torridge'? Fremsley 15:30, 1 October 2007 (UTC). Bit silly answering myself, but as nobody has replied I'm going to remove the 'Barnstaple area' schools by the end of the week- Barnstaple doesn't have an independent school in its boundaries, St Michael's being the closest (and still 2 miles distant). These things should be in North Devon. Fremsley 19:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Katie Hopkins[edit]

North Devon Journal, a local newpaper publihed in Barnstaple, has been calling her 'Bideford-born' for the last fortnight since she's been in "I'm a celebrity". Anyone like to correct (who isn't her "uncle")? Fremsley 12:03, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:EH icon.png[edit]

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Barnstaple Castle[edit]

I have added a section on Barnstaple Castle, copied from Barnstaple Castle, which latter article has now been given "main article" status, there is a lot more to be developed there in due course. It is absurd in an article on Barnstaple to have only 4 mentions of the word "castle", as passing references, with no mention at all in the "History" section, with no explanation for the word save a link to the "main article" in "See Also". (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 12:32, 21 January 2011 (UTC))

I'm not sure it is appropriate to copy a complete article (however small) into another, then link to the original as a main article as you have done, but I agree the castle could be more prominent. Some research is needed first though, to expand the castle article, as I no very little about the castle. Feel free to have a go if you have access to more information. Regards, Lynbarn (talk) 13:11, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Phone Code[edit]

A large number of websites contain an incorrect spelling duplicating an error present in Ofcom's (previously Oftel) UK area code list for the last decade. 01271 was listed as Barnstable in the official UK area code list and only recently corrected to Barnstaple, see their Errata. 212.139.105.91 (talk) 08:35, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Request for Sanders and Blagdon source details[edit]

In tidying up the History section, I see that we don't have full ref details for Sanders or Blagdon. I've added a skeleton Sources section, could you (LT) fill them in, please?  —SMALLJIM  17:29, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Feudal barony[edit]

LT, regarding your reinstatement of the details of the feudal barony, I stand by my removal. We're back to the issue of relevance and appropriate content that we discussed regarding Orleigh Court. If you remember, User:Dailycare made the good point at Talk:Orleigh Court that an article's coverage of an aspect should be in rough proportion to the coverage that aspect receives in reliable sources. In this case, once I started reading up on the history of the town in the usual refs, I found that none of them has anything on the descent of the feudal barony. So these specialist details should not be covered in any depth in this general article about the town - a link to your new article is the best outcome. If you hadn't demerged it, I'd have done so shortly anyway. I'll await your comments before reverting.  —SMALLJIM  11:58, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

The most authoritative source on feudal baronies is Saunders, I.J., English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and Descent 1086-1327, Oxford, 1960. Barnstaple is dealt with on pp.104-5. He was a professor at Oxford, so reliable. The text I added was a basic summary of these pages. The point I was making in reverting your heavy-handed deletion was that the basic line of descent should remain, but you chopped it off at Juhel. A more nuanced edit was called for. It needs another couple of sentences, mentioning at least the main family names, surely? I don't know if your "usual refs" include Lois Lamplugh, 2002, which deals with elements of this topic, but clearly she was more concerned with the later history and lacks knowledge of Sanders' work, which she does not list in her bibliog. You really hate history don't you! Not all readers are like you! (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 12:41, 19 August 2012 (UTC))
Thanks for the reply. I'm not disputing the reliability of Sanders [sic], merely your extensive use of his specialist book in a general article about the town. I don't have Lamplugh (and Google/Amazon don't provide previews), but I've just read a complimentary review of the book in Trans. Dev. Ass., 2004. It says she "guides us through a succession of feudal lordships", so I propose to revert back to my shortened version of the section and will be happy if you'd add a proportionate summary of what she says about this. If you would use the book to expand some of the later history too (I see the Civil War was an interesting time there), that would also be useful to the project.
If I hated history, as you claim, I wouldn't spend so much time working on articles on the subject! And I suspect that my interests are closer to those of more readers than are yours: very few people are interested in the minutiae of descent - perhaps that's why Sanders has never been reprinted :)  —SMALLJIM  13:41, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Pronunciation[edit]

The lead has only one pronunciation at present but in the British Broadcasting Corporation's pronouncing dictionary of British names (ed. G. E. Pointon ; Oxford University Press, 1983; p. 18) only one is given, a different one i.e. with "p" rather than "b". This looks like a case where there are different Devonian and Standard English pronunciations.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 21:09, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Definitely agree. The locals pronounce it with a b. The ending sounds like a slightly stretched out "bull" sound if that helps. JHJPDJKDKHI! (talk) 03:01, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

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possible bogus content[edit]

Any objection to deleting the following: The majority of local people are employed in the yo-yo industry, either manufacture, instructing or professional use. Since the first world yo-yo championships in 2007, 8 championships have been won by a competitor from the town, given rise to its nickname ‘the up and down town’.Brownturkey (talk) 17:16, 26 May 2018 (UTC)