Talk:Bart Stops to Smell the Roosevelts
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References to 1981 movie "Taps"
My section about references in this episode to the movie "Taps" has been removed twice now. Has anyone who removed it actually seen the movie, or even just the episode? This episode is overflowing with borrowed motives from the film, to the point of a direct verbal quote! By chance I have seen the movie just before the episode and I was astonished about the similarities. Yes, there is no online magazine or similar website stating this, but that's not because it is not a fact, it's probably because there is no website that deeply analyses every single Simpsons episode (Wikis don't count). And even if there is, it would need a rather experienced film critic to find that out. I have linked to the IMDb quotes section for the direct quote. This website should be fine. Which other sources do you need? And is it possible, in instances where the similarities are obvious, to state something on Wikipedia that has not been stated on another website? You should not need to find a source for similarities between audiovisual media, the source is the film material itself. My 2 Cents: I see this business of simply reverting an edit by a helpful person as just rude. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 17:05, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
- I would suggest that you took the time to read Wikipedia:Verifiability, which is a Wikipedia policy. You have to find a reliable source if you want to include it. "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth". IMDb is not reliable, since it is user edited. --Maitch (talk) 17:11, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
- I have already read it, and even the policy on "No original research". In my mind, these rules, which are in part disputed anyway, allow an edit like this one, if they are interpreted liberally. E.g. you could rewrite the text to simply name the similarities. However, I hardly have the time or even want to start an edit war. My original point is made by this discussion being visible in the "discussions" section and the entry in the "history" section for future reference. Again, I recommend to watch both "audiovisual sources", as they are simply delightful. And if a source that is up to the standards of Maitch and Theleftorium turns up, you know where to find the text. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 17:35, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
- "In line with the Simpsons' tradition of heavily referencing Hollywood movies, this episode's story loosely follows the 1981 motion picture Taps. Borrowed motives include, but are not limited to Bart's mentor figure and idol Chalmers and Roosevelt, respectively; the occupation of the school, which is held up even in face of a police force ready to storm the institution; the accidental shot of a gun as it hits the ground; Milhouse's surprising appearance in the end, screaming Tom Cruise's line "it’s beautiful, man!" and a short musical sequence featuring "military style" wind instruments and drums during the end credits."
- This review is transcluded from Talk:Bart Stops to Smell the Roosevelts/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
- "After he takes Bart and his friends on an unauthorized field trip that does not go well, Chalmers gets fired." I would reword this to something along the lines of "After he takes Bart and his friends on an unauthorized field trip which results in one of the children breaking his arm, Chalmers is fired."
- Wikilink season four the first time it is in the Production section, and unlink it the second time.
- "Kricfalusi explains that "On the Simpsons I wanted to try moving the characters in crazy fun ways, not just looking funny each time they come to a stop" Please capitalize "The".
- "Digitial Arts Magazine" should be italicized if it is a real magazine.
- "Kricfalusi revealed that he would have taken a different approach to the animation, if he were to animate the entire episode." Comma not needed.
- "Primarily, the animation would be so slower paced than it was in the 35-seconds-long segment." Why "so" slower? Also, I think it should be "35-second-long" instead of "seconds".
- "The couch gag was fast paced, because he had to make room for all of his ideas" Comma not needed. Also, I would say "The couch gag was done at a faster pace because..."
- Ah, here we are again: "It finished before The Cleveland Show and American Dad!, but after Family Guy." To make this clearer, say that, in Nielson 18-49 demographic ratings, the show finished higher than The Cleaveland Show and American Dad! but lower than Family Guy.
- I believe "cross-over" is one word. I also recommend wikilinking it
- "The Simpsons episodes that strive to have a little heart without going overboard are generally going to work better than the random-gag episodes, at least at this point in the storied history of The Simpsons, and [the episode] has enough wee little heart to see this episode through"...why "the episode" and then "this episode"?
- "Amid Amidi of Cartoon Brew calls the opening revolutionary and explains ..." Called and explained, keeping with the past tense.
- With the references, make sure the publishers are only italicized if they are a print source (for example, Cartoon Brew, Television Blend, and Oology aren't)
- User:Maitch wrote this great article but I went ahead and fixed all your issues! Thanks for reviewing! :) Theleftorium (talk) 11:34, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
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