Talk:Battle for Haditha

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civilians?[edit]

The article currently says: "At least 15 of those killed were noncombatant civilians. " Is there any doubt that all of the civilians turned out to have been noncombatants? No weapons were found, after all. Geo Swan (talk) 17:37, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That was and unsourced and outdated info that obviously came from the initial revealed facts about the incident. According to the wikipedia's article Haditha_killings we now know the victims were 24 unarmed civilians. Sperxios (talk) 10:45, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Historical accuracy[edit]

We should add a section regarding historical accuracy. At present, there is no mention of this film's fidelity to the events portrayed. Rklawton (talk) 20:12, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. This film was made based on the early assumptions about the accidental, but lawful, killings in the Haditha incident. Assumptions from the rush to judgement that occurred in the media frenzy about the incident. Assumptions that have become discredited, or at least controversial, since the Marines in the incident told their side of the story. Most films based on historical events take some minor liberties, but this one is completely skewed by its assumption that the Marines killed Iraqi civilians in cold blood instead of mistaking them for insurgents. Walterego (talk) 22:19, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Film influences - Pontecorvo's 1966 "Battle for Algiers"[edit]

I was a little surprised to see no mention of the 1966 film that both has a similar title and uses a very similar story telling device of showing a conflict with civilian casualties from two sides. I guess I saw the Pontecorvo influences immediately when watching the movies, but as to not make it original research, quite a few other critics saw those connections as well - these are all articles about the movie that also brings Battle for Algiers up: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2007-may-13-ca-iraqfilms13-story.html https://www.tvguide.com/movies/battle-for-haditha/review/2030128315/ https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/film/oh-what-a-horrible-war-7403383.html

I don't know how it would be incorporated into the article, but I do think the current article has a very underdeveloped Critical Reception section.

Addendum: Found an interview in which Nick Broomfield explicitly mentions Battle for Algiers as a major influence, https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/nick-broomfield-how-the-filmmaker-recreated-one-of-the-most-notorious-incidents-in-the-iraq-war-771014.html

Broomfield based the film on his own intensive research and a 6,000-page document on the incident issued by the US Naval Criminal Investigation Service. "What we portray is a very mild version of what happened and I stand by it completely," he says. "The greatest influence in making the film was The Battle Of Algiers; I wanted to emulate that multifaceted view of conflict."

Gillo Pontecorvo's classic Battle Of Algiers (1966) re-enacted the Algerian uprising against the occupying French with non-actors in real locations. Similarly, Broomfield's cast are all non-actors – the Marines played by young veterans of the war and the civilians by Iraqi refugees from Jordan (where the film was shot), many of whom had family members killed in the conflict. "The Iraqis all had a gruesome story to tell," says Broomfield, "but they don't hate America; in fact, most of them aspire to life in America. It's George Bush they hate with a passion. But they're more concerned with surviving than anything else."[1] Fisk0 (talk) 20:06, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Nick Broomfield: How the film-maker recreated one of the most notorious incidents in the Iraq war". The Independent. Retrieved 6 January 2023.
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