Talk:Battle of Crécy

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It would he quite helpful for you to explain as indicated here: If you have a source showing an additional opinion then please enter into the article with that source. Thanks, Mugginsx (talk) 17:58, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

End of Chivalry/ English cheating[edit] At 23:00 the video explains how the French fought hand to hand, while the English used long bows and cannons to bombard from a distance, essentially ending chivalry.

-G — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:59, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Map of the Battle of Crécy[edit]

Good morning, this is the first time I try to edit something on Wikipedia, I hope to be helpful. I was looking for this battle's map. I think that the one on this page actually is not really clear. Why the french army is red and the English one is blue and not the opposite? Why does different kind of soldiers use the same symbols (Genoese Crossbowmen and English Long-bowmen are both dot) ? There is no legend... I was thinking to re-design the map, do you think that I can try or it is going to be completely useless for sure? --Lorenzo.piazzoli (talk) 14:03, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Map of the Battle of Crécy

Hi all, i would like to use this image, i think could be useful. --Lorenzo.piazzoli (talk) 10:01, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Longbow crossbow[edit]

The section in the article Longbow versus crossbow is full of OR

text copied from Longbow versus crossbow

The crossbow was favoured as it required less physical strength to load and shoot than a longbow, and could release more kinetic energy than its rival, making it deadlier at close range. It was, however, hampered by slower, more difficult loading, its cumbersome shape and its range, in which the longbow had the advantage. Later developments in more powerful crossbows in the 15th century, such as the windlass-span crossbow, negated these advantages, while advances in bow technology brought to Europe from armies on crusade introduced composite technology; decreasing the size of the crossbow while increasing its power. A common claim about the crossbow is a reload time of one bolt every 1–2 minutes. ...

This analysis as it does not take into account the draw lengths of the bows which because the crossbow had a relatively short draw length had to be much more powerful to impart the same force to the projectile. But that is besides the point because the comparison of power does not really matter at this time both bows could penetrate armour. It does not matter which was the more powerful, providing they could do the job.

To put in into a modern context: at the moment there is a debate going on in the American and British armies whether they need to start to use 7.62 rounds as standard rather than the 5.56 (back to the future), this is because although both rounds will kill a man at normal battle field ranges, to penetrate modern body armour they may need to use a more powerful round -- the disadvantages are that it probably means that the British would have to drop the current style of rifle and as each round is heavier and larger this reduces the number of rounds a man can carry. So clearly given the disadvantages of the larger round unless those are outweighed by its advantages, use the smaller round.

The advantage of the longbow was that not only could it be used as a direct fire weapon like the crossbow, it could always outrage a crossbow because it was an effective weapon in indirect fire. Crossbow men tended to fire directly at their target with perhaps some elevation (much like musket) but they were limited by the design of a crossbow to how much elevation they could use and still see the target. In comparison the English and Welsh archers were trained in firing arrow storms the distance of which was up to about 300 meters (see English longbow#Range). How devastating this could be against other men using projectile weapons (and so less well armoured than men-at-arms) can be seen in the the battle that took place in Britain between opposing bodies of longbow men at the battles of Bryn Glas (1402) Shrewsbury (1403) where elevation on a slope was the factor, while at the Battle of Towton (1461) it was the wind.

I have provided no sources so I am not suggesting any of this be included in the article but rather the other way round that the analysis that is there is removed.

-- PBS (talk) 21:06, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Emboldened by the lessons of tactical flexibility and utilisation of terrain learned from the earlier Saxons, Vikings, Muslims and the recent battles with the Scots...[edit]

Elaborate on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:31, 15 February 2018 (UTC)