Talk:Battle of Waxhaws
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Neutrality and accuracy
In the passage:
"Reports differ as to what happened next. Somehow a gun may have gone off. British sources say that Tarleton's horse was shot from under him, and his men believed that he had been killed, but other circumstances suggest this was a fabrication. In any case..."
I changed "other circumstances suggest this was a fabrication" to "American accounts differ" (im assuming it is in American sources that these circumstances have been detailed).
Seeing as the issue of whether Tarlton's horse was shot by a Virginian or not is central to understanding what happened it would seem prudent to mention what the circumstances were and/or provide links. Until then i have changed it to the less debatable wording (assuming 'American accounts differ' is true which i havent checked). I also changed 'murder' to 'kill', although it may be that 'murder' is the correct word here, a clarification of whether an American fired first or not would certainly be helpful in assessing its suitability.
(There is also a general US slant to the article, but not so chronic as the sections i altered) -Isthatyou
Even the intro is very pro-American/ anti-British
- Yes, the article was very poor and unbalanced, even though the facts of Tarleton's horse being shot from under him has been well documented for a very long time, the article while not dismissing the facts placed them deep within the article, almost as an after-thought yet the betrayal during a surrender was central to the events. I have subsequently tried in my own poor way to balance the article referring to best wiki practice regarding neutrality, balance, always referring to the sources.Twobells (talk) 11:38, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
For the Discussion page, not the article
I don't believe that any section entitled "Nitpicks" belongs in any article. It is fodder for the Discussion page. Speculative opinions like what is listed below clearly do not belong in the article. For example, "but this should be understood to be the hyperbole of propaganda". Please cite your facts, and if the issue is debated, cite the debating experts. Cheers! Cafe Irlandais 03:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
- Military buffs may note that a Dragoon and a Mounted Infantryman are essentially the same thing, but in this case the difference is significant. Tarleton had a force of about 350 dragoons with horses, but the British had not had time to get enough mounts for their troops, so in order to catch up with Buford with an overpowering force Tarleton doubled up on the mounts - one dragoon and one infantryman per horse.
- Contemporary sources claimed that there were 400 men under Buford's command, and all but a handful were killed - but this should be understood to be the hyperbole of propaganda. A number of sources claim 113 dead at the site, 150 wounded, and 53 taken captive. However, the number of 113 is much too low, as most sources concur that well over 100 of the wounded died of wounds within the next few days."
As someone who grew up within walking distance of the battlefield, I can tell you that no one refers to this as "the battle of Waxhaws". Its called Buford's Massacre pure and simple. Lets call a spade a spade here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 03:55, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
- It's not always referred to by that name in history books. "Battle of Waxhaws" or "Battle of the Waxhaws" seem to be more frequent usages, even in books written by American historians. Magic♪piano 14:49, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
It appears that Dr. Robert Brownfield was an American surgeon's mate not British this changes entirely the nature of his commentary. In the author's defense this appear to be an often repeated inaccuracy (but should be fixed!). See A Sketch of the Life of Brigadier General Francis Marion by William Dobein James. The letter is found in the appendix. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 18:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I've removed this section:
The wounded of both parties were treated with equal humanity by the British. The American officers and soldiers who were unable to travel, were paroled the next morning, and placed at the neighbouring plantations and in a meeting house, not far from the field of battle. Surgeons were sent for from Camden and Charlotte town to assist them. Every possible convenience was provided by the British.
It appears to be original research (no citations of any kind, no sources mentioned) and is illogical, as British forces who had just killed wounded and surrendering Americans would not be likely to offer "every possible convenience" to the same group of Americans, even if they did spare their lives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 07:29, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Illogical - or just not in line with the Patriot version that you seem to prefer?