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20th Century battleship[edit]

While I agree with Toddy1's edit in general, Mikasa was launched in 1900, and is hence, strictly speaking, a 19th century battle ship. What seems to be the intention is "turreted, sea-going, self-powered battleship" (otherwise HMS Victory and HMS Warrior would refute the claim). The whole section is unsourced, too. Can we find a source for this statement? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 07:26, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

As for the century Mikasa was not commissioned until 1902. As I understand it, ships of that era were often launched before they were fully completed, and the remaining construction was completed while the ship was afloat. So she would qualify as a 20th century ship. Jc3s5h (talk) 12:32, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Ye Gods, arguing Mikasa is a 19th century ship is a level of hair-splitting I never expected even on Wikipedia. The Land (talk) 15:13, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Spitting hairs was a major part of my academic education ;-). --Stephan Schulz (talk) 15:59, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
....and more seriously, if Mikasa is included in the class of ships we only have very few examples of, shouldn't the clearly 19th century Royal Sovereigns and possibly even HMS Dreadnought (1875) also be included? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 16:04, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
The useful way to classify Mikasa is as a pre-dreadnought (I suggest consulting that article along with ironclad for a discussion of how the 1875 Dreadnought differed from Royal Sovereign and from Mikasa). "20th century" is a little misleading because the dominant type of battleship in the 20th century was the dreadnought. "19th century" is both inaccurate and even more misleading ;-)
Regarding sources I am sure it's possible to find one, but I don't regard that statement as particularly likely to be challenged. The Land (talk) 09:50, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Could someone please define what qualifies as a battleship? The article mentions 'heavy-calibre' armament, so how heavy is that? Original battleships of the 20th century seem to have been armed with 12-inch guns. In WW2 certain German warships were described as 'battleships' by the German Navy, although their armament was far inferior to that of allied battlehips, and the same vessels were described as 'battlecruisers' by their contemporary opponents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Historikeren (talkcontribs) 16:08, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

last US battleships[edit]

since the Iowa and Wisconsin were last to be stricken in 2006, wouldn't they be the "last US battleships"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:04, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

"Full Speed Ahead and Damn the Torpedoes"[edit]

This article states, "Unlike the ship of the line, the battleships of the late 19th and early 20th centuries had significant vulnerability to torpedoes and mines..." Wooden warships were indeed vulnerable to torpedoes (although they what we would call mines today). — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:38, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Good point. I would take it to mean, before mines were invented, there was no hazard, but clarification would be good. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 17:44, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

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