Talk:Beat Generation

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Expand influence of Eastern religion?[edit]

Influences section includes, Romanticism, Early American sources, French Surrealism and Modernism. But no mention of Eastern religion (even though it is mention in the lead paragraph). Robert Pirsig states that troops were inspired by Korea and Japan, which had an impact on the beat movement in San Francisco youtube v=m8zdT5jYlro (at 2:35) Jonpatterns (talk) 16:57, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Still the Beatles.[edit]

Despite the old exchange above, the Beatles still did not derive their name from the Beat Generation. If Lennon really said that to Kerouac, he must have been trying to flatter him somehow. Beatles came from Crickets, and the spelling was a typical Lennon word play, with his double meanings - like Rubber Soul or Please Please Me. It's just plain silly to keep it in. Even if it's technically true that Beatles comes from the word beat, it's just not true to say it comes from "Beat". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.3.197.177 (talk) 04:46, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes. Beatles is far more likely to have descended from Merseybeat than from the Beats. Rt3368 (talk) 09:33, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Hatnote spam[edit]

User:Hearfourmewesique, please refrain from adding hatnote spam to this article. 3 previous additions:

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dhart (talk) 06:44, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Call it spam once more and I'll report you for a personal attack. I strongly advise you to review what spam really means. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 19:46, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Call it what you will, but the Hatnote does not meet the guidelines. See specifically the 'Examples of improper use' on the Hatnote page. The hatnote is trivial information and attempts to disambiguate article names that are not ambiguous. dhart (talk) 05:58, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

There is nothing relevant in the link you provided – unless you dispute the existence of the album, which can be easily Googled. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 11:59, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm trying to AGF here, but what part of 'trivial information' is unclear in reference to Hatnote#Examples_of_improper_use? Also, since your latest reversion was just outside the 24h window and feigns WP:SILENCE as a reason, it appears you're gaming the system 3RR. Please wait for a positive 3O before adding this hatnote again. dhart (talk) 05:55, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Pictogram voting comment.png 3O Response: Unless the subject of "Do not confuse with" is notable to have it's own wikipedia article, there is no need for a hatnote. This is covered under the first example of improper hatnote use WP:TRHAT. If you believe that this album is significant enough to have its own article, then create it and we'll see. {{subst:signature}} — Preceding unsigned comment added by ReformedArsenal (talkcontribs)
The album does not have its own article, but Werner does. In any case, I have self reverted, as this has spun out of control... for a hatnote? Really? To Dhart – a couple of points:

  • Where's the AGF on your part when you "greeted" me with accusations of spamming, refused to apologize for it, and then decided that I wasn't worthy of a response until I reverted? That's what I thought.
  • The revert, to which you were referring, happened more than four days after yours. How is that "just outside the 24h window"?
  • As stated above, there was over four days of an absolute lack of response on the talk page. I believe that's exactly what constitutes talk page silence.
  • In consideration with everything stated above, your accusations of WP:GAMING and "feigning" are nothing short of a personal attack. Perhaps you should learn some manners. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 13:45, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
You guys should probably both calm down. The matter seems to be settled, now you should probably both go your separate ways. ReformedArsenal (talk) 14:51, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Los Gatos / Monte Sereno, not San Jose[edit]

I recall having read that Ginsberg lived for some period in a house north of downtown San Jose but I can't find a reference for it. Although the Cassadys had to have been familiar with San Jose and Kerouac is said to have spent time studying at "The San Jose Library", the Cassady home (where Kerouac certainly visited) was at 18231 Bancroft Avenue in Los Gatos (say "Las Gaddiss"), a block south of Highway 9 (Los Gatos - Saratoga Road). After 1957, this part of Los Gatos was re-incorporated into the City of Monte Sereno. The Cassady house at this address (37.233946,-121.99127) was demolished August 22, 1997. Three quarters of a mile up the hill, at 16250 Greenwood Lane, Steinbeck wrote Of Mice and Men and The Grapes of Wrath.

Does anyone know of a San Jose address for any of these folks? I would be thrilled to find one. Ginsberg wrote of a San Jose rail yard in The Back of the Real (El Camino Real? Probably actually in San Jose but possibly Santa Clara; El Camino Real turns into The Alameda at the Santa Clara - San Jose border, very near the old Santa Clara SP rail depot). Rt3368 (talk) 09:33, 4 October 2013 (UTC)


"Significant Figures" section seems like a stub[edit]

Currently, Neal Cassady is the only person with his own heading in the "Significant Figures" section. Burroughs, Kerouac and Ginsberg are also mentioned, but not prominently. Should there not be a list of the prominent beat poets here, or on a separate wikipedia page? Thomas Tvileren (talk) 16:24, 2 April 2014 (UTC)