Talk:Bedoon (Social Class)

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Vandalism by AGRSO[edit]

Hello, OJOM and I have been working to make this page more substantial, NPOV, and a real source of information for anyone curious about the Bidoon. User AGRSO has deleted all of our work claiming "Government Propaganda." Seeing as NO GOVERNMENT sources were used, (purely UN and HRW NGOs,) I have reached the conclusion that this constitutes vandalism. If you go to the USER page of AGRSO, it seems she has been accused of similar behavior previously. Please help maintain and add to this page as a source for elucidating the state of the Bidoon in Kuwait. ALSO, if Government propaganda was used, it would not paint the Bidoon in such a manner as to garner support for them. This page is NPOV. Neutral, not for or against the Bidoon.

Spelling[edit]

Can we please standardize on the article title ("Bidoon") as the Wikipedia-standard spelling? I realize that different news organizations have differing standards for translating the Arabic word into European languages, and that this frequently results in different spellings. But when we write the main text of an article, as opposed to a quote, the standard spelling ought to be used. ElbonianFL (talk) 12:49, 10 November 2014 (UTC)Elbonian

I agree. I am a native Arabic speaker, and the transliteration of the word in arabic is best written as "Bidoon" SabahMAlSabah (talk) 18:50, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Merger[edit]

How about merging all three artciles: Bidun, Bedoun and Bidoon of Kuwait? Bidun is not well provided with inline citations, but seems to have the broadest reach, although it may be a little POV in places, e.g, Before 1990, the majority of bidun were Bedouin settlers from the northern Arabian Peninsula. and the 1920 date was not for registration, but was for "living there since" in the 1960 to 1965 (?) registration period. The Bidoon of Kuwait makes that same factual error, but does contain a number of useful external links. --Bejnar (talk) 22:22, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

  • I note that MatthewVanitas merged the three articles together on 11 March 2011. However, the 1920 registration error mentioned above has been perpetuated. The language needs cleaning up. --Bejnar (talk) 22:01, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Requires Rewriting for Balance[edit]

Much of the language in this article is pejorative in tone, insinuating that the Bidoun/Biduns/bedoun (sic) are a 'problem'. There is also too much conjectural language for this to be considered a serious article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.99.136.114 (talk) 15:54, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

The sources seem to support the statement that the bedoun are a problem. The human rights documents indicate that the bedoun feel they have a problem, the Kuwaiti government's various statements seem to indicate that they have a problem. Thus there are problems on both sides. The article has had some rewriting, is there a particular example of improper tone still in the article? --Bejnar (talk) 18:57, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
Oreganoan has removed several negatives from the article, which seems to make the article less balanced, namely: children of bedoun are bedoun; Kuwait granted citizenship to less than 2000 bedoun families; the 1980 amnesty required recipients to identify themselves as illegal residents who claimed to have Kuwaiti relatives, rather than as Kuwaiti who had failed to register (or whose ancestors had failed to register). --Bejnar (talk) 18:57, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Gutted and made POV[edit]

This article is being gutted and made seriously non-NPOV by an IP editor. I am tempted to just revert his whole series of edits, but there may be some value there. --Bejnar (talk) 03:02, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

I propose a rewriting of the article stressing NPOV. I have substantial information from the Arabic Wikipedia site found here: https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%AF%D9%88%D9%86_%D9%81%D9%8A_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%83%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%AA SabahMAlSabah (talk) 18:47, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

I do not read Arabic, but have checked the English references and made the article itself NPOV (or at least more so than it was before). Would be nice to have some references that cited Bidoon as well as government sources, though.

I am going to get some government sources. But they will inherently be non-NPOV since it would undermine current policy.

New additions[edit]

History, Origins, and Nomenclature.

I added some history so that the article is more robust. I feel like it was written (previously) for people who knew a lot about the subject. I am trying to frame the whole issue in the context that Kuwait is rich, its citizens enjoy unparalleled amenities, and that most people would love Kuwaiti citizenship because of that. Also, there are legitimate Kuwaiti Bidoon who have been suffering at the hands of the government because of the (majority?) of fake claims (from Saudi Arabia, Syria, the Levant.) SabahMAlSabah (talk) 17:17, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Kuwaiti Bedoon[edit]

Could someone update the article (I'm completely ignorant of the topic) to include a description of why the Army and Police forces are special for the Bedoon? Were they simply inclined to join those organizations? Did the government look for them? I'm missing something. --John (User:Jwy/talk) 21:37, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

External links modified[edit]

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