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appropriate title/label[edit]

Is "begging" the appropriate title/label? The more common modern term is "panhandle" and "begging" is a derogatory term or reference to panhandlers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.54.181.122 (talk) 20:05, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

-- I'd propose deleting the second paragraph in the article about beggars wanting to take minimum wage jobs. It seems to conflict with later accounts in the article such as "In North America, panhandling money is widely reported to support substance abuse and other addictions. For example, outreach workers in downtown Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, surveyed that city's panhandling community and determined that approximately three-quarters use donated money to buy tobacco products while two-thirds buy solvents or alcohol.[20] In Midtown Manhattan, one outreach worker anecdotally commented to the New York Times that substance abuse accounts for 90 percent of panhandling funds." The article appears to be taking a stance on begging from the get go. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.110.32.2 (talk) 04:22, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Can you please found something about the history of begging??

Thanks


I got the article started, if anyone can help with the article I'd really appreciate it. During my recent vacation in Chicago I came face to face with begging a few times. It's what led me to get the article started.

  • One night I walked about a block from the hotel to the local Walgreens. While I was checking out, a man came up and began asking me for money. The man was getting quite pushy. During the night, a security guard was in the establishment, and the cashier had the security guard remove the man from the store. The guard said it wasn't the first time the man had been a problem, that he was regularly doing this.
  • A couple times I was asked if I had any money to spare. I also seen people sitting on the sidewalks asking passerby for donations.
  • Another thing that came to mind was that when I was driving near Midway Airport, this man was trying to sell stuff to drivers. He was going up and down in between cars, and darting in and out of traffic. I just remember thinking how incredibly dangerous it was. If I had a cell phone on me, I might have called the police to report it. Not only was the traffic quite heavy, but there were a number of semi trucks on the road. All it would have taken was one wrong move and the man could have been seriously injured or even killed.
  • Finally, one time about 15 years ago, a transient came to our farmhouse, and asked if we had any jobs he could do.

I'm sure there's other stories out there on this subject that would be just as interesting, if not more so.

JesseG 04:15, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Believe it or not, not all who beg are homeless or even neccessarily poor and the article should not have made such a claim.

- A very valid point. When I worked in a grocery store a "professional beggar" came in on a daily basis to change his dollar bills in for something larger. He almost always had at least $100. He lived in an apartment, and when it rained he would sometimes call a taxi to take him home.

- The above point is true. There has been at least one major newspaper or news magazine article in the last 20 years that discussed how certain beggars in Washington, DC were actually making a decent living from begging daily, probably more than they could make at a minimum wage job.TheBlinkster (talk) 11:27, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

- Also, along similar lines, historically there has been at least one time in recent history (the 1960s) when large numbers of young people chose to beg as a lifestyle choice, rejecting the idea of a "straight job" although jobs were available, as part of dropping out of society or fostering the idea that people should just share resources. There are articles, documentaries, etc. out there supporting this and I understand it occurred in many countries in North America and Europe. However, this part of history is missing from the article. TheBlinkster (talk) 11:27, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Adding Jimmy Wales to the list of notable beggars[edit]

I really believe this should be done. After all, he actually really fulfils the requirements according to the definition: "Begging is to entreat earnestly, implore, or supplicate. It often occurs for the purpose of securing a material benefit, generally for a gift, donation or charitable donation."

It would be a hypocrisy not to include him, and I can only speculate why he is constantly taken down from that list. Bernd Berndsen (talk) 18:11, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm with you. - A random individual

I also agree with this.

 - Evgeny Petrosyan

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.23.168.232 (talk) 19:50, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


I also agree with this- anonymous user from Florida. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.69.210.40 (talk) 20:13, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Yup, Jimbo needs to be in there in the 'List of Prominent Beggars'. This is Wikipedia, after all. How could you kick him out of his own party? - Some dude.

He is one of the most prominent beggars in the world, he should be on the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.14.190.220 (talk) 18:48, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

» He's being removed from the list repeatedly, for no reason. Can the guy who does this explain himself? --70.31.247.125 (talk) 19:10, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

I removed it because he himself is not doing this (or at most he's a spokesperson, one of many individuals used in this ad campaign for the organization he heads)--third-party request. You need a reliable source that this banner-ad is even begging at all (an idea that has failed repeatedly at this and other pages) before getting as far as the WP:BLP requirement of a source that specifically cites him as doing the begging. DMacks (talk) 10:40, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
I beg you to not become confused by this. begging in the context of this article is for people who personally do not have a required item, and who ask the public at large for the item. jimbo has not as far as i know begged anyone for contributions for his personal enrichment. that would be politicians running for office.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 18:14, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Why some assume the begging role day after day.[edit]

The Mental disposition of asking others for help perpetually in some cases was learned at an early age. The person not old enough to understand that the family was really trying to teach the importance of being conservative with money. The social developmental skills became confused, a defense behavior along with chemically unbalanced mind became a persistent trait setting a life course of pan handling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.8.5.42 (talk) 04:25, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

We, like many other animals are born begging. Birds beg for food. We beg for milk and throw a fit until we get it. Those who didn't fell out of the gene pool. Begging is in our nature.

Any content added to the article needs to be backed by a reliable source. --NeilN talk to me 04:28, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

A study was done in Nigeria on an effective way to deal with begging. http://www.krepublishers.com/02-Journals/S-HCS/HCS-04-0-000-10-Web/HCS-04-2-000-2010-Abst-PDF/HCS-04-2-109-10-061-Onoyase-A/HCS-04-2-109-10-061-Onoyase-A-Tt.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.8.5.42 (talk) 05:54, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

This makes the assumption that begging is bad and therefore should be prevented. Yet, if I pluck a few guitar strings and ask for money, that's good. Why?

Comment on Agressive Panhandling merger[edit]

"Agressive Panhandling" is/should be about legal restrictions to begging/soliciting around the cities and states (a U.S. specific term?) in present time. "Begging" is/should be about general practices, philosophy, history, and attitudes -historically through present. Therefore, keep them separate as they are. 108.213.76.24 (talk) 13:49, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

  • I support a merge. These are phenonmena within the same scope. The information in the AP article should be sprinkled into relevant sections of Begging. AP would just be handled in the section of Begging which deals with legality and restrictions. AadaamS (talk) 14:46, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
  • I support a merge for the following reasons: 1) Substantial overlap between the two areas - a panhandler may have both "aggressive" and "non-aggressive" behavior as legally defined, or his or her behavior may be deemed legally "aggressive" in one place and "non-aggressive" elsewhere. 2) When Wikilinking to the pages, the current setup of 2 separate pages puts the linker in a position of having to decide whether the behavior linked is "aggressive" or not, which can be difficult. For example, I'm trying to link to a page regarding a film about 1960s hippies and their behavior would likely fall a little bit in both categories. It's not really two different things. TheBlinkster (talk) 13:10, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikimedia Foundation (Again...)[edit]

I have (again...) added the Wikimedia Foundation to a list of beggars.

Why? One word: Cheese. | French Wikipedia Editors Want $6,000 To Buy Cheese (Which Raises Some Questions About The Site's Finances)

I'm sorry, but you cannot justify intrusive begging with a $60 million USD profit from 2014. IAMGOOMBA (talk) 22:49, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Please read WP:NOTFORUM and WP:POINT. --NeilN talk to me 22:53, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
asking for donations for a cause is not begging, in the context of this article. thats soliticitng donations. If i sit on the street corner and solicit funds for homeless people, i am not begging, though i may sound like i am begging, and possibly begging for attention. words have multiple meanings depending on context. back to school for you.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 18:16, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2014[edit]

86.10.193.248 (talk) 23:17, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Not done No request. --NeilN talk to me 23:21, 7 December 2014 (UTC)


Overhaul of page[edit]

I do not see how writing about legal restrictions on begging is at all appropriate for this entry. If this is to be part of the sociology portal, it should discuss under each country the population of homeless, the social setup, the culture of begging (for example, India and China), statistics on begging - such as percentage of those who are homeless vs not, etc. Legal restrictions are constantly changing and also the current list is extremely sparse and makes no sense as to why certain countries or areas are mentioned versus others. I propose an overhaul of the whole page with the "legal restrictions" aspect shortened or changed to cultural commentary. Aintiainti (talk) 01:02, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

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Begging in Missouri[edit]

Quite a bit of detailed content about begging in the State of Missouri was added to the article by Studytour with this edit. This is quite a bit of detail which does not seem appropriate for Begging#Legal restrictions. There already is some content about the United States in general in that particular section and adding this much detail about a single US state seem a bit of WP:NOTEVERYTHING and bit of WP:UNDUE. It appears according to user talk page post that this content might have been added by a student as part of a class assignment. I don't want to see anyone get a bad grade because of Wikipedia, but it's a bad idea to base our grade on a Wikipedia article and not really in the best interests of Wikipedia for such edits to be made. It might be possible to add a sentence or two to this content to the paragraph about the United States, but anything more is probably more suited for consideration as a stand-alone article titled "Begging in Missouri". -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)