Talk:Bellmaking

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Split again to Bellfounding and xxx[edit]

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The result was split. Wizard191 (talk) 17:30, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

The making of church bells or musical handbells by casting has absolutely nothing to do with the process of making the open end (bell) of a trumpet of trombone by metal beating. This should always have been two articles, disambiguated against each other. They should not heve been merged. I propose a split into Bellfounding and something else whose name I do not know which is the specific name for making brass instrument ends. I have never heard the term bellmaking. Perhaps someone could advise? Oosoom Talk to me 19:08, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm responding to your note on the wikiproject talk page.
The merge to bellmaking was a quick one (3 days), this was possibly because the original author performed the move. That aside, if you have knowledge on the subject that will expand the article, and if that means demerging, then by all means do so. When the wikiproject originally classified bellmaking as an occupation it would have been a quick decision (it's certainly not my field) and may have been based more on an inclusion policy than otherwise. We were primarily aiming to add some structure, to help in finding misnamed or hidden articles, so that they could be expanded rather than duplicated, as was occuring previously.
I agree that it seems to be more a technique than an occupation. It would also seem that bellfounding would be listed under the casting links? Unfortunately I can't help with the correct term for instrument end making, a quick run through Category:Brass instruments didn't help either.
Graibeard (talk) 23:50, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I support un-merging this. - Toastydeath 04:42, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I support the separation of these two subjects with the making of a cast bell retaining the name bellmaking. - Patris Magnus 19:55, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I am confused. In England, the people who cast church bells are bellfounders. Is there really another name for this? Oosoom Talk to me 15:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
While hardly definative, Google returns 36900000 hits for bell making while it only returns 5670000 hits for bell founding. I'll look at what Theophilus says on the subject when I get home Patris Magnus 20:39, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
My impression from searching Google is that bellfounding returns items on casting bells, whereas bellmaking generally returns items possibly translated into english, or about bells in non-english speaking countries, or extracts/forks from Wikepedia:Bellmaking. Oosoom Talk to me 13:15, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
User:Oosoom's sensible suggestion for reversing the merge seems to have been delayed by the Somebody Else's Problem effect. If I get time I'll have a try, but it won't be anything like soon. Please jump in! --Old Moonraker (talk) 10:19, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Alright, it seems to me that this problem has been stretched out rather unproductively for years. I was going to re-post this on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Metalworking page, but I figure that really would be making this Somebody Else's Problem. Instead I'm going to be bold and carry out the following: un-merge the two subjects of this article- by moving the information on casting bells back to 'Bellfounding' and by moving the information on brass instruments to 'Brass instrument construction'. This seems like an appropriate and logical title, and would begin to fill some of the gaps Wikipedia has on the subject of instrument construction; a topic that currently has only a small mention on musical instrument and on some individual instrument pages. The title is also in keeping with Category:String instrument construction, though there is no proper article page on the subject. I will also make 'Bellmaking', into a disambiguation page from which the other two articles will be accessible. This should cover all bases, and will at least resolve this long overdue split. -France3470 (talk) 13:40, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


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