Talk:Ben Carson

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politico[edit]

we have an edit war regarding this politico article. the politico article title claims carson's story in his book about meeting general westmoreland and being offered a scholarship is now an admitted "fabrication".

1) ALL upperclass students at service academies are on scholarship in exchange for service committment 2) some underclass students are also on scholarship, which the politico article doesn't deny (see: "per se") 3) carson never admits to any "fabrication" in the politico story, but this was added as fact to the wiki story 4) carson never claimed to apply to west point, yet the politco story implies he did claim that 5) the fact that carson was colonel in jrotc and met westmoreland is not disputed 6) the fact that carson met with others at west point is not disputed 7) the article does not claim to know what carson discussed with any of the above 8) carson never "concedes" to politico anything, yet this word is then added to wiki story as fact and reverted to without explanation. 7) the reversions being made by mimi c. do not contain any comments as to why, just reversions 8) the edits i, "christo1234", made regarding the politico story were all objective facts, but are subsequently deleted by the reversions which contain false subjective opinions like "concedes" and "fabrication", etc

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Christo1234 (talkcontribs) 20:39, 6 November 2015‎ (UTC)

Political positions too long?[edit]

I just feel that they take up too much of the article in light of the biography not being that long and that they should either be condensed or removed in their entirety. Informant16 7 May 2016

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Pyramids[edit]

How come there is nothing in this article about his believes about the pyramids being food storage units? This played a huge role in the elections so I wonder why it is not mentioned. Garnhami (talk) 20:30, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

That's covered at Ben Carson presidential campaign, 2016. No opinion on whether it belongs in this article too, but for past presidential candidates, a lot of their campaign-related info ends up on the election pages so that their main biographical pages don't get too long. Marquardtika (talk) 21:19, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
It isn't notable, because it is the belief of at least one subgroup group of seventh day Adventists (who also believe that the government is going to try to force them to worship on Sunday instead of Saturday). When a politician is Roman Catholic we don't point out that he believes that when he goes to church every Sunday he eats the literal flesh and literal blood of Jesus Christ, which through a second miracle still looks and tastes like like bread and wine. When a politician is a Mormon we don't point out that he believes that fossilized dinosaur bones came from other creatures living on other planets that were destroyed when Earth was created 7,000 years ago. And let's mot even get started on the special underwear... Religions have weird beliefs. People belong to religions. None of this is particularly notable or remarkable until someone tries to make it an issue in a political campaign. --Guy Macon (talk) 23:32, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
I can understand Marquardtika his reply, makes sense. However Guy Macon, your reply is a bit strange to me. I understand your point and yes, I actually agree with your logic when it comes to "general" believes (general statements), however believing the pyramids were grain storage units is a bit far fetched to say it comes with generally accepted religion. This is more a completely nuts type of "religion". I doubt that the statement of the pyramids is part of a generally accepted religion, although, I have to admit I have no idea how "big" this type of seventh day adventists movement is. In general it just seemed weird to me because in major parts of Europe we only know this person as the nut job with his crazy pyramid statement (links that most people here use and apply to search for him on the internet) Garnhami (talk) 08:22, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
Yes, people from one culture can seem extremely eccentric to people from another culture. As a European myself, I have similar feelings toward Republicans. But compared to Guy's other examples of things people believe because of their religion, especially the bread-miraculously-turns-to-flesh-but-miraculously-still-seems-to-be-bread thing, the pyramid belief seems very mundane. Seventh-day adventism in all is variations is pretty common in the US: About 20 million believers. --Hob Gadling (talk) 09:56, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
As a Seventh-Day Adventist, may I take the opportunity to point out that Carson's statement about the pyramids seems strange to all Adventists that I know? That's not a church belief. Carson subsequently corrected himself.[1]. It was an off-the-cuff misinformed statement that severely affected his campaign, but should not define his beliefs. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 10:40, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! Good information. You Seventh-day Adventists must be doing something right -- you live longer. See Seventh-day Adventist Church#Health and diet. --Guy Macon (talk) 13:03, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
BTW, It appears that you posted the wrong citation above. You wrote "Carson subsequently corrected himself.[2]." but the reference says "Last week Carson stood by his belief that Egypt’s great pyramids were built by the Biblical figure Joseph to store grain, an assertion dismissed by experts who say it’s accepted science that they were tombs for pharaohs." I would be interested in seeing a citation where Carson did correct himself. BTW, it appears that the Egyptian pyramids were built thousands of years before the time period most often assigned to Joseph (Genesis).
I am just glad that the current efforts to tear down monuments to long-dead slave owners are confined to the USA and not Egypt... (smile) --Guy Macon (talk) 13:22, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
Egads, I was sure I had read he admitted his error, but I can't find it. I am agog, but I re-iterate this is not an Adventist belief. And Guy, you're statement about Adventists believing the government is going to force Sunday worship is true, but that's like saying that the moon prevents sunlight from reaching the earth. It is a true statement, but hardly gives insight or understanding to the subject. The moon, next Monday, will prevent sunlight from reaching the earth across a large area in the United States for a few minutes. Our belief in compulsory Sunday worship is similar. As a group, we don't predict when this will happen, or even how, but the concept is important to our understanding of the Biblical prophesies in the Gospel of Matthew. There are certainly members, generally on the fringes of the movement, who certainly try to take the role of a "prophet" and make these predictions exactly, these individuals are generally disdained within Adventism. My point is when I hear about the "strange beliefs" (holy underwear, bread-to-flesh, reincarnation, etc) of another group, I try to withhold judgement about the group as whole until I gain a deeper understanding of the what/why/where/when/how, because the news snippets I may hear probably don't give a fraction of the whole truth, and what appears in social media is probably dead wrong. Humanity is weird, and I respect that.... 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 13:41, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
Totally unrelated to Carson or Adventists, I just posted something interesting that I found when I researched this. See Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard#Fringe Theory of the month: Dinosaurs helped build the pyramids. --Guy Macon (talk) 14:01, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
Hob Gadling but that is something different. The example you give is just a general accepted part of the religion (which is indeed stupid, I also find it rather strange people believe this) but what Carson states about the pyramids is completely nuts and not related to his religion as others stated. The reason why I think it is important is because it is an important part on how he is seen (his reputation) and how it played an important role in his race to the presidency. That is why I feel it should be mentioned here. It really played a big role and to many Carson is linked completely with the pyramids statement. spin me exactly as you said, it is not really part of his believes in general so it is weirdGarnhami (talk) 18:11, 17 August 2017 (UTC)