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Because open source software may be forked, such "dictatorships" are fully voluntary and incorporate the democratic ideal of "consent of the governed". This statement is highly POV. And it doesn't make sense. A dictatorship is by definition not voluntary for anybody but the dictator. A dictator may (needs to) enjoy some support, but even consent to be ruled over is not democracy. According to Popper, democracy requires that the leader can be overthrown, not that some subjects can sail off to an island and found a new state. There's a huge cost involved with forking. Unpopular forks and fragmented projects will just die and all effort will be in vain. "Benevolent dictators" are always self-appointed, they are alpha types who want to keep ownership and control, but offload the work to the crowd and get free publicity.--87.162.35.138 (talk) 14:23, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

It's a bad analogy that someone just made up. I've removed it. Recury (talk) 20:16, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
That is of course wrong, elected dictators (both historic kings and modern rulers) are dime a dozen and history is full of people yearning to be ruled with a firm hand, whether they choke late or not is not quite the topic. 92.251.63.47 (talk) 21:49, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Economic Modeling[edit]

I don't have any sources, but oftentimes economic modelers use the construct of a benevolent dictator to describe an altruistic planner who optimizes the entire economic system's operation for the common good. This probably could use some mention here if anyone has the relevant sources or experience. 129.186.252.43 (talk) 18:15, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

benevolent dictator versus corrupted elected government[edit]

It would seem that a benevolent dictator does more good for his or her country than the waste that ensues when an elected government is corrupted by external money just to get elected. Dictators such as Castro, Khadafi and to some extent Chavez have put their lives on the line so that their homeland could be run more efficiently to the benefit of its citizens who receive free medical care, education and transport. In some cases, the dictator allows a government to be elected for the day-to-day decision-making and as in the case of Chavez allowed his dictatorship to be confirmed through general election. Compared to the prime example of "democratic" government, the United States of America, where more than half of the congress is indebted to the Jews of the U.S.A. and Israel and where more money is spent on overseas adventurism for the benefit only of major corporations to the detriment of its own people, the regimes of Castro, Khadafi and Chavez must be commended. In the case of the U.S.A. where the "elected" President caves in to the corrupted demands of his congress that has been bought by lobbyists, government is definitely NOT of the people, by the people for the people but for the Corporations instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.164.78.219 (talk) 16:57, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


I agree. --77.7.42.17 (talk) 16:15, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
OK, I agree as well, but wtf does that have to do with the article? Good paragraph, though. Xzpx (talk) 07:38, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Tone seems to be adequately encyclopedic[edit]

I came to this on the basis of the community pages, as an article needing style editing. I saw one sentence that was clumsy and adjusted it, but don't see problems with the tone or style. It seems adequately encyclopedic to me. So, I am removing the category that flags it for problems with tone. Of course, if someone disagrees, they can put it back, but if they do it would help to point out specifically what the problem is. AlbertBickford (talk) 07:45, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Kārlis Ulmanis[edit]

I know nothing about Kārlis Ulmanis (haven't even read the article), but I noticed that searching for 'Kārlis Ulmanis benevolent' via Google gives me several hits (some of them - several books - may be reliable). Maybe Google Books has more hits. --82.170.113.123 (talk) 14:41, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Semiprotection[edit]

Article has been semiprotected two months per an edit warring complaint (permalink). EdJohnston (talk) 16:45, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

This article is not currently protected on any level, as far as I can tell, and many battles in the edit war have been conducted by named editors (I'm looking at you, Tuvixer). — Harry (talk) 08:14, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
So how have I edit warred? Please, if someone removes sourced material without explanation he is disturbing the article, and that edit has to be reverted. Tnx --Tuvixer (talk) 11:52, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Benevolent Dictators[edit]

This one sentence of the lead has caused like 90% of edits in the last year or so. In the aim of culling down the lead and adding an onus for evidence, I have removed many of the named leaders/dictators, leaving only three names on the basis of being well-cited or generally undisputed. These are Tito, Atatürk and Lee; these names are examples that illustrate the concept for uninitiated readers and are less likely to lead to confusion than others like Roosevelt or Marcos.

If you wish to restore other names, please do so in the new section (Benevolent dictators), providing discussion of their reign and the use of the term to describe it. I have added Tito to prompt people, but please do edit this section, as I'm by no means an expert. This approach should (fingers crossed) lead to constructive argument and a more informative article than the current bickering over a small (but growing) sentence of the lead.

In case you're looking to start sections on other leaders, I have transcribed the previous entries and their "citations" here: Bourguiba[1] Park Chung-hee[2] Roosevelt[3] Qaboos bin Said al Said[4] Kagame[5][6][7] Abdullah II of Jordan[8][9] Ferdinand Marcos[10]

I will be playing gatekeeper for a while here. DO NOT mess with the names in the pertinent sentence in the lead without very good reason. If your favorite "benevolent dictator" isn't mentioned in the lead, add him(/her) in the relevant section, but be prepared to defend your claim with more than a token citation. (Might be worth seeing this Reddit thread for some examples, if not great citations.) — Harry (talk) 09:46, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

António de Oliveira Salazar should clearly be here. Fig (talk) 18:32, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Why not Hitler? Jakracer (talk) 03:58, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Upshur, Jiu-Hwa; Terry, Janice; Holoka, Jim; Cassar, George; Goff, Richard (2011-01-20). Cengage Advantage Books: World History. Cengage Learning. ISBN 1111345147.
  2. ^ Rowley, Chris; Bae, Johngseok (1998-01-01). Korean Businesses: Internal and External Industrialization. Psychology Press. ISBN 9780714649245.
  3. ^ Giovacchini, Saverio (April 2004). "Book Review: Benjamin L. Alpers, Dictators, Democracy, & American Public Culture: Envisioning the Totalitarian Enemy, 1920s-1950s". The American Historical Review. American Historical Association. 109 (2): 553. doi:10.1086/530428.
  4. ^ "Oman's benevolent autocrat may avoid a similar fate to Libya's Gaddafi | Rowland White". the Guardian. Retrieved 2015-11-25.
  5. ^ http://www.hpsfaa.org/Resources/Documents/AppliedAnthropologist-2012/No.%201/Russell_2012_32(1)_12-22.pdf
  6. ^ Kigali, David Smith in. "Paul Kagame's Rwanda: African success story or authoritarian state?". the Guardian. Retrieved 2015-11-25.
  7. ^ "Kagame turning Rwanda into a great African story". www.independent.co.ug. Retrieved 2015-11-25.
  8. ^ "King Abdullah II of Jordan: Modern Monarch and Would-Be Peacemaker? - Harvard Political Review". Harvard Political Review. Retrieved 2015-11-25.
  9. ^ "King Abdullah II of Jordan, World Statesman?". www.jadaliyya.com. Retrieved 2015-11-25.
  10. ^ "THE DOWNFALL OF MARCOS". www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil. Retrieved 2015-11-25.

Western Dictators?[edit]

Ah, I don't seem to recall that the idea of a philosopher king from plato or in general the term benelovent dictator refers as stringintly as here to someone with "pro western" stances :-)! I do jest a little bit but it seems that many of the descriptions themselves seem to include this as an example of benelovency. Relativism much? Of course, you only take things sourced in western media. Honestly though I do not disregard the list. I might add the King of Bhutan to it who measures the success of his country in accordance to the standard "GNH" or "Gross National Happiness"! If someones intentions ever were enough at least I think he should have a place... 92.251.63.47 (talk) 21:47, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

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Shavkat Mirziyoyev (Exit visas)?[edit]

Could Shavkat Mirziyoyev be considered a benevolent dictator, or is it too early to tell? He has made efforts to abolish the Soviet-style exit visa policy. By no means a humanitarian, just a bit better than Karimov.PlanespotterA320 (talk) 23:36, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Akbar "the Great" of the Mughal Empire[edit]

Would Akbar "the Great" also be considered a "benevolent dictator"? He did abolish the jizya and try to promote religious tolerance, creating the Din-e-Illahi faith.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 23:40, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Pedro II of Brazil[edit]

Pedro II of Brazil made efforts to abolish slavery, has been called benevolent dictator by some. Should be in article?--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 23:44, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Gaddafi as a benevolent dictator?[edit]

The thread in this article that edits Gaddafi as a benevolent dictator had no citation at all; and the claim is quite hyperbolic. At best the claim for Gaddafi as a benevolent dictator should be controversial, and not worthy of a separate thread.WeifengYang (talk) 23:46, 6 January 2018 (UTC)



How was he not one? He built a lot for his people, and made Libya much more fair, and offered a strong standard of living to all in doing so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.4.228.5 (talk) 02:54, 3 February 2018 (UTC)