Talk:Benito Mussolini

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Duce[edit]

As far as I know, that was not his official title? -- Director (talk) 14:25, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

One of two: he was "Presidente del consiglio dei ministri" (Prime Minister) AND "Duce del Fascismo". Alex2006 (talk) 20:18, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but isn't "Duce of Fascism" simply the title of the head of the PNF?
Either way the infobox seems to be incorrectly laid out. We don't list two separate political functions together simply because they were held at the same time.. -- Director (talk) 01:29, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
This is correct, the "Duce" was the head of the Fascist party. About the separateness you are also right. On 25 July 1943 Mussolini got a vote of no confidence, but remained the Duce, and on the same day was forced to resign as Prime Minister. Alex2006 (talk) 09:31, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Don't forget he had 2 Duce titles: he was later Duce of the Italian Social Republic which was a state rather than a party title. Is it certain that "Duce of Fascism" was only a party title? That source implies that the two were of equivalent status. DeCausa (talk) 12:13, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Ok. I'll get to work on giving the old bastard an up-to-standard infobox and succession boxes... -- Director (talk) 14:25, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Modified infobox and succession boxes:
  • Separated head of government office and the 'Duce of Fascism' office. As far as I can gather, the latter is a title for the head of the National Fascist Party; M was Duce of Fascism before becoming PM.
  • Removed duplication in the head-of-government office essentially being listed twice.
  • Removed First Marshal as its a military rank, not a political office (it belongs below in the Military service part of the infobox).
  • Added terms as minister of foreign affairs and minister of the interior.
  • The succession boxes (down at the bottom) are now properly listed in chronological succession.
  • Added party political and military offices down there as well, and shortened entries into actual titles.
-- Director (talk) 15:34, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Request for pronunciation[edit]

It's [mussoˈlini] and not [musoˈlini], see Gemination#Italian. Please edit as suggested and promptly. This is the source. --79.3.10.27 (talk) 13:05, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done It's shameful that wrong pronunciation was added in such important article and that nobody corrected it despite the request! --84101e40247 (talk) 12:57, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

First Marshal of the Empire[edit]

Victor Emmanuel III should be listed as serving alongside him as First Marshal of the Empire. --67.166.194.80 (talk) 22:19, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Not really. Its not standard practice. -- Director (talk) 23:33, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Request for Comments[edit]

There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.

Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 15:47, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Death section stinks[edit]

Propaganda. Reality: British operative in "blacker" echelons of military service than the SAS, knowingly working outside Geneva convention customs, thus an assassin or spy indescribable as resembling either guerrilla or soldier, - this Anglo-Saxon killer I leave unnamed is the one who brutally murdered the unarmed, prostrate dictator.

Executing in violent macabre overkill political enemies, who are unarmed, helpless, hmmm...constitutional-parliamentary seeming to me, yea, not at all fascistic?

I mean, why extend rights and be legally, ethically equitable and human to those who don't deserve it for whatever random convenient reason: different folks, different standards: disliking American apple pie is a capital crime, right?

Nothing heroic about this sordid affair, no martyrs of revolution and similar nonsense. No communist guerrilla "vindication" - the Anglo-American intelligence network simply murdered him extra-judicially, cold-bloodedly, and the priceless suitcase of documents Mussolini was carrying full of political "dirty secrets" of Allied powers, "our" leaders' dealings of amicable nature etc. with this "demon", and so much more, its fiery contents shall never be known, because murder was got away with, via apple pie wholesome State terror - don't ask how I know, Wiki-people. Trust me...

Anglo-American terrorism is the dish Mussolini was served - you might want to update your facts here, Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:B34B:A940:F051:AB0F:3A76:DE48 (talk) 09:47, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

First Marshal[edit]

Hallo, I removed the title of First Marshal of the Empire from the Template Infobox officeholder. This was already removed by another user. In fact, The "Primo Maresciallato" was not a political office, but a military rank, so I think that in the template is out of scope. Alex2006 (talk) 04:46, 30 June 2015 (UTC)